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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #30 on: 22:52 06-Mar-2018 »

Here's what some of the men here on Expatua have experienced (I redacted all private information):

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Hello!
I'm ******* from ****** and I'm living **** city in Ukraine as of now. I've been married for more than 2.5 years.

I chose to write you because I want to know about divorce proceeding in Ukraine and I read few post and you mentioned some comments that showed you know information about it. I really need your help if you can let me know.

I've a son from my marriage and all assets that I bought were in my wife name as I didn't had PR. I was about to apply for it but things are rocky and I do not see future with my present wife so there's no point in going to OVIR with her for this.

My wife had 2 children (a daughter and a son) and her daughter lives with us and her son lives with my wife's mother.

I do not know how but I want my son's custody. She does not have a job and we're living in a small village and she cannot find a job here. I had to start to bear her other son's expenses too. Her Ex-Husband is alive but he's not doing anything for children and now after having my own son with her things are really getting nasty. It's more like blackmail and she threatens me.

I am very emotional and I cannot live without my son and as I do not understand language I can't ask anyone locally for help. I do not know what to ask in my consulate. I have started a small business for her in *****, as of today I have around 1 year TRP to live in Ukraine.

She wants that I run from here and then she can sell everything and start new life. She said this many times to my face and now it's like she behaves in a manner that for no reason argument starts. I do not want much drama or problem. I have never seen such people and I seriously do not know what to do.

Today she informed me that I'm her third husband. Before she only informed me that she married once before and her two children are from same man, but that's not true.

I caught my wife when she was pregnant writing on a dating website to some 40 odd people. She wrote all that stuff that she wrote to me.

Today in evening she called police accusing that I assaulted her I was sitting unaware about all this in my room.


Please let me know ****
Regards
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« Last Edit: 22:54 06-Mar-2018 by Reggie »
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #31 on: 05:52 07-Mar-2018 »
I remember that poster.  Poor guy.
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #32 on: 08:12 07-Mar-2018 »
Reggie, you are kind of coming across as just misogynistic because you aren't making important distinctions, the same problem with the #metoo movement.

A married woman destroying a man, taking everything from him while making false police reports and accusations is a serious matter. Marrying a woman with another man's children is usually a terrible idea and that is what men should be warned about, that and how to protect their assets, especially from a wife. Love is trust, but it's stupid to not have contingency plans. 

The romance scams are just sad but if there's no harm done except to a woman's self-respect and some horny guy's wallet it is much different than the story of an idiot marrying a woman with children and donating sperm and resources to her for another one. I don't think the vast majority of Ukrainian women are whores and they would much rather have a respectful occupation or raise a family with a decent man instead of Fraking sad old western guys looking for a girl half their age. Men lie like hell too to impress them.

Claiming that Ukraine's economy is largely built on pretty girls scamming innocent western men is silly. Put up some numbers or actual percentages.

and it's not only Ukrainian women that should not be trusted, the men here too will stab you in the back and rob you blind. Finding a business partner is as difficult as finding a romantic partner.





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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #33 on: 11:49 07-Mar-2018 »
Reggie, you are kind of coming across as just misogynistic

I am not offended that you wrote that.  And it doesn't bother me in the least. 
And I am not unfamiliar with this argument and knew it would come up.

To the contrary, I've learned that sometimes when this subject comes up there are some men, a minority, that don't want these crimes noticed or talked about, and it is actually a tell about a very standardized psychological profile relating to that man.

The Types:

1.  Older Clueless, and Happily Married:  No clue as to what is happening in the dating scene because they haver been out of it for so long.  Their opinions are no longer consistent with the facts-on-the-ground, but they still have opinions.

2.  Mommy / Sister Issues: There is a female in the family that has done / or is doing these types of things:   They don't like other men criticizing it.  It brings back bad memories; feels like an attack directed to a female in their family.

3.  Child Rearing Anxiety: They are raising a daughter, or have raised one, and are have anxiety over how she was educated. They understand she has been taught some of the wrong values; and there's anxiety associated with that.

4.  White Knight Cucks: This group of men thinks that by defending a woman, even when she is doing wrong, they are somehow a champion or become more attractive to women, neither of which are true.  And there are some men with such a damaged character that they enjoy watching other men have sex with their wife; they think other men should also take a submissive pose. 

You will see some of this last group of men even try to defend female teachers that have had sex with young male students.  All of their arguments come out: "Well when I was 10 years old, I dreamed of getting a blow job from the principal".  You've seen this psychological type, right?  "The-Great-Male-Defender-of-Women-Regardless-of-the-Crime" type.


I don't model myself based on these types of men.  If I see a crime, I see a crime.  Their psychological hang-up (just because a female is involved) is their problem.

If a person can see and understand a bank robbery, a pickpocketing, an arson; He can see and understand the misbehavior by these females.   It's as simple as that. 

The same skills of vision, hearing, observing, etc. that are needed to notice pickpocketing are the same for noticing romance-scams.  Do you trust that I can see and notice the pickpockets in Brazil?  Of course you do.  So you know there's nothing wrong with my senses of observation or ability to notice a common con in progress.

But do you know why men don't object when pickpocketing is discussed?  Or use labels like "Misogynist"? 
Because there are no "Mommy/Sister/Daughter" issues involved (see above).

In fact many females also notice the romance scams.  They can't be  "Misogynists" too - can they? 
If you ever see a situation where a man becomes a widower and has an adult daughter, and the man starts to engage in an online romance, the first one to notice the gold digger will be the adult daughter, because she understands the threat.  She knows what's up.

At any rate.  I never get embarrassed when a man brings up the  "Misogynist" word, because it is an immediate tell about them, their psychological background, and issues in their own life.

It's the men that don't want other men to notice these misbehaviors that have some sort of a hang up. 

In fact the FBI has started screening out applicants that go blind because they can't notice certain crimes because of the gender of the person involved: they screen for it, almost as a psychological defect.

Come on, both you and I know that if Brad Pitt was scamming women en mass out of airline tickets, meals/fine dining, getting them to buy him presents, duping them into thinking they had a child together to hustle apartments out from under the females ...etc.  You know what we would think of him:  What would we say about Brad's activity?   Would you call him out if he was dating your family member?   Damn right you would.
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #34 on: 13:16 07-Mar-2018 »
I don't defend such behavior and I don't think you're a misogynist. I'm probably more of one than you. I think the dynamics between men and women have gotten all screwed up since women entered the corporate world and birth control.

Ukraine does have a large numbers of gold digging whores. It's nothing new. I just don't like that you write as if men have no responsibility to not allow themselves to be manipulated and Fraked over by letting their dick override their rational thinking. This is a sexist thought but I think it much easier and likelier for a problem of responsibility to be solved by men rather than women. 

Prosecute them if you can but otherwise, the only way to stop this kind of poop is first to raise daughters to not be whores (I try to do my part) and for men to allow themselves to be manipulated by women.

And your little psychological profile. I would say I fit into the first category for the most part. I've never been in the dating scene in Ukraine and since I'm basically a native now I guess I don't like western guys coming here just for Ukrainian pussy. I in no way support whores but I do have some schadenfreude for idiots who win stupid prizes for playing stupid games.
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #35 on: 13:39 07-Mar-2018 »

I just don't like that you write as if men have no responsibility to not allow themselves to be manipulated and Fraked over by letting their dick override their rational thinking.

This is a sexist thought but I think it much easier and likelier for a problem of responsibility to be solved by men rather than women. 


In case you missed it: 

This whole thread and blog is about men becoming aware of the scams so they can avoid them.

The person that calls attention to the scams, is the person that thinks there should be more male initiative in avoiding the scams.  The whole purpose of starting a discussion of this subject among men is what?  To spot the scams and avoid.

And the person that tries to discourage females from adopting the scammers' mentality, is the person that truly loves and values women and does not want to see them go down that path.

Here's the Test: See the lady in the photo?



Put on her gear.  Wiggle your hot dog at some German grandma over the internet.  Get her to buy you airline tickets, perfumes, and dinners at restaurants.  Try to swindle some of her pension, maybe get her flat away from her.  And see what real men say.  I promise it would be the same.  So it's about equality, not sexism. 

It's actually sexism when you want to make excuses for females, but you know that if men did the same behaviors, it would unambiguously be repulsive and wrong.

Look, what would we say about you if you put on clothes like that lady and started shaking your weener over the internet to scam some money out of a German Grandma living in the EU?   OK then.



If a man was going on the internet and running these same cons, you would not jump up and down and claim 'sexism' or 'misandry' (opp. of 'misogony').   Can you imagine some dude getting free airline tickets and perfumes doing this? 



So you need to explore, within your own value system, why you think it's okay for these ladies to behave as they do.

If Leroy "the Stud Muffin" was manipulating your granny to start buying him airline tickets and send parts of her pension to him, what are you going to say?

« Last Edit: 14:21 07-Mar-2018 by Reggie »
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #36 on: 16:46 07-Mar-2018 »
Reggie I think we're misunderstanding each other.

I've never condoned or excused whorish behavior. You're just not funny  :-*

Bill burr says it best about the epidemic of gold-digging whores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.

I have no problem with warning guys about Ukrainians whores. There are gay men that sell themselves and scam rich old western men as well. People are weird and nasty and Ukraine is a group of people with few moral principles and a long history of violence and currently in a war and about to collapse again. If you're coming here to Frak around with your money or your dick, it's a bad idea. 

And tomorrow is Women's Day. We have to at least pretend to be gentleman.



« Last Edit: 17:14 07-Mar-2018 by kyivkpic »
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #37 on: 17:44 07-Mar-2018 »

And tomorrow is Women's Day. We have to at least pretend to be gentleman.


My ideas don't change because it's X Y or Z day.   

And being a gentleman means that I don't make excuses for those ladies running around and dropping romance scams on top of men's heads: it's not good for the women and it's not good for the men.

A scam is a scam: whether it's pickpocketing or a romance-scam. 

Metrosexual logic doesn't work on me: Sorry, but I don't care if the perp is wearing a tampon or not.

If this was the scammer, I'd say exactly the same thing:  it would make no difference if it's Black History month or not.

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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #38 on: 19:18 07-Mar-2018 »

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?

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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #39 on: 19:47 07-Mar-2018 »

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?


Yes, we need to know.

My Nigerian Scammer, Chief Loquisha-Boobacala, wants to know too.   He's also blonde and has big boobies.
The chief can twerk the mustache off of a Turkish schwarma seller.



The Nigerian Chief says 'big bad white man is responsible' for his scamming.   :D




If only Ukrainian men had been nicer to Ludmilla, she wouldn't have drained my German grandpa's bank account.   
Damn those Ukrainian men for destroying gramps!!!!  :'( :'( :'( :'(

Grandpa's bed sores, empty bank account, and Ludmilla's infidelity were caused by Ukrainian men.

Ludmilla is the real victim here.  If we men -- globally, internationally and united by jerky beef snacks & dirty tennis socks -- weren't so bad, grandpa wouldn't have suffered.   

Don't worry, gramps was so small in the end, that he could live out his remaining days living in a cardboard box. 


Happy International Women's Day!!  Psssst! ;) Let's Not Talk About This Anymore! 


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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #40 on: 20:31 07-Mar-2018 »
Why do you think I condone scams?

I was just making fun of the typical schmuck that falls for these girls.

You're the one searching on google for a pic of a black transvestite and Chief Loquisha-Boobacala to post.

Warning to foreign men dating Ukrainian women

Firstly, what the Frak are you doing? Go back home unless you know how to detect and deal with psychopaths because there are a lot of them here of both sexes.

Here a few tips to avoid scamming whores.

1. If she doesn't speak English WELL or you don't speak fluent Russian or Ukrainian, forget it and don't complain when it comes to ruin.
2. If you're a sad old ugly or otherwise lonely guy, be aware that you can be manipulated and don't be a Fraking schmuck to a pretty psychopath.
3. Don't Frak a girl, get all mushy and then give her whatever she wants when she cries and tells a sad story. It's the OLDEST scam in history. If a girl can Frak with you just by sending pictures of her tits or crotch and some sexy letters in bad English, you are really Fraking stupid. You can find plenty of free porn on the internet to beat off to.
4. Don't marry a girl and/or have children with a woman unless you have done serious due diligence. That should take at least 2 years.
5. If you're a typical guy who is intimidated/easily manipulated by beautiful women you are playing a dangerous game in Ukraine.

Reggie will listen to your sad story if you don't heed my advice.






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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #41 on: 20:36 07-Mar-2018 »

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?

I didn't say it's justifiable. It's just understandable in terms of causation. Girls with alcoholic fathers and alcoholic husbands often exhibit psychopathic behavior.

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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #42 on: 20:37 07-Mar-2018 »
@ Kyivpic,

You know I love you man; Happy International Women's Day!



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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #43 on: 20:46 07-Mar-2018 »
I hate Women's Day. I'll be working my ass off all day tomorrow to cater to the wife and little girl and I have to even give flowers to my mother-in-law.

I don't get poop on Man's day and it's not even a holiday.
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Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
« Reply #44 on: 20:49 07-Mar-2018 »

Girls with alcoholic fathers and alcoholic husbands often exhibit psychopathic behavior.


Where does that leave men looking to date/marry Ukrainian women: 

- Do they screen-out ladies that had alcoholic fathers?  How would you suggest that?

- Is there any other cause, for these sex scams, unrelated to alcohol in your mind?

- Using the same logic, could Yanakovich say his corruption (scamming everyone in Ukraine) was caused by his alcoholic father?


Don't you think these African Scammers had it much worse than any Ukrainian?



Think about their childhood trauma: Malaria, Genital Cutting, Child Rape, Hunger, Mother believes in Voodoo, and they have to go doody in a hole in the street.



There isn't a single Ukrainian woman that would swap childhood experiences with this guy.  Not one.
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