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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #15 on: 16:39 16-Jan-2019 »
Zelenskiy is not my Cup of tea, hes a good actor/commedian and he is probably one of the better Ukranians who infact want to change Things to the better for the general people here.
I just think it will be the smartest move to elect him now in wartime, and maybe he even can be fault tha Timoshenkov will win because of some people will vote on him.

BUT he has ZERO experience. ZERO. Has he ever run a business, been elected to run a city, held any government post, member of the Rada? NO. Just a actor that parrots what the writers tell him to say in front of the cameras.  Would he have ANY supporters in the RADA? Unlikely. He would be a Lame Duck President even before he might be elected.

He is a wasted vote.

As i wrote, he is NOT my cup of tea = I dont hope he win....

But lets look at your points.

He did run a business, his own Tv channel, Produced alot of movies/series, did arrange with succes alot of big shows of commedy and so on.
Yes he have NOT been elected to anything before, but do this disqualify him for a political post ? maybe this is an advantage. ( President Trump did also not get elected for anything else then President)
Support in Rada, in 2019 there will be election to Rada Again, so he will win some seat for his own party list probably, and then there are Allies WHO would prefeer to Work with him then tymochenko.

The Kolomoisky connection is in my opinion probably the biggest problem, he have to my knowledge not public stepped away from this guy and that is a big error in my opinion


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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #16 on: 21:58 16-Jan-2019 »
Zelenskiy can't step away from kolomoiskiy, because the Oligarch's TV station is the engine promoting the Zelenskiy candidacy.  Also, Privat Bank had to be bailed out twice.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #17 on: 04:20 17-Jan-2019 »
Zelenskiy is not my Cup of tea, hes a good actor/commedian and he is probably one of the better Ukranians who infact want to change Things to the better for the general people here.
I just think it will be the smartest move to elect him now in wartime, and maybe he even can be fault tha Timoshenkov will win because of some people will vote on him.

BUT he has ZERO experience. ZERO. Has he ever run a business, been elected to run a city, held any government post, member of the Rada? NO. Just a actor that parrots what the writers tell him to say in front of the cameras.  Would he have ANY supporters in the RADA? Unlikely. He would be a Lame Duck President even before he might be elected.

He is a wasted vote.

As i wrote, he is NOT my cup of tea = I dont hope he win....

But lets look at your points.

He did run a business, his own Tv channel, Produced alot of movies/series, did arrange with succes alot of big shows of commedy and so on.
Yes he have NOT been elected to anything before, but do this disqualify him for a political post ? maybe this is an advantage. ( President Trump did also not get elected for anything else then President)
Support in Rada, in 2019 there will be election to Rada Again, so he will win some seat for his own party list probably, and then there are Allies WHO would prefeer to Work with him then tymochenko.

The Kolomoisky connection is in my opinion probably the biggest problem, he have to my knowledge not public stepped away from this guy and that is a big error in my opinion


Ah did not know about the TV station. Producing movies and tv shows......hummmm.
Well yeah it might be a disadvantage HERE not holding any real political post prior, you can't compare him to Trump as they are two totally different kettles of fish, Trump for one is his own mouth piece and that gets him in lots of daily trouble where as Z is a puppet for K. But your point about Mr K is not lost on me and K may advise his supporters to throw in with Z, and yeah anyone not wanting to work with T might fall for the mouthpiece of K. 
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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #18 on: 10:10 17-Jan-2019 »
According to IMDB he is credited for
producing 17 titles
Actor 14 titles
Writer 7 Titles
Director 1 title

Im not sure he is a mouthpiece of K, there is an real chance that he is what he is saying he is, but if this is the best option for ukrain at the moment im not sure.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #19 on: 10:35 17-Jan-2019 »
According to IMDB he is credited for
producing 17 titles
Actor 14 titles
Writer 7 Titles
Director 1 title

Im not sure he is a mouthpiece of K, there is an real chance that he is what he is saying he is, but if this is the best option for ukrain at the moment im not sure.


Look, I do not consider the entertainment industry a good reference to run for leader of a country. Most of the options you listed mean jack poop actually.
Producing -- supplied financing
Acting - is just pretending to be something or someone else
Writing - It remains to be seen if whatever he wrote is any good
Directing--- ONLY ONE? Not good enough and it is a very short term employment for that.

This actor is NOT the best option for Ukraine.

Even my resume/CV is a 100 times better than this, if these are his only qualifications then I am way overqualified to run Ukraine.
« Last Edit: 10:36 17-Jan-2019 by Fraucha »
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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #20 on: 16:07 17-Jan-2019 »
We agree that these Things are not Things that directly make your qualified as beeing a president.

And i agree he is not the best option.
But i would any day take him over tymoschenko.

A president also need the support of the people, this i think he infact could get, maybe he would even be able to tell the people of ukrain that the people need act different if they want a better ukrain.

Most Expat in here would probably on paper be pretty good president candidates, and most of ous also know what is wrong with ukrain and what need to be fixed.
But to actually fix ukrain is a total different story :)

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #21 on: 19:58 17-Jan-2019 »
I would vote for a 3 legged pig that was blind and deaf over Yulia anyday.

But Ukraine can't be fixed because all Ukrainians care about is getting their visas for vacations and putting the Russian invasion out of their minds.
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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #23 on: 22:30 11-Apr-2019 »
Might as well have a comedian as President. Politics there is a joke after all.
But please not that guy. Sick of his face and voice. Typical for Ukraine his face is on everything, vodka ads, stomach pill ads, viagra ads, and that's just commercials FML

I'm sure the story will come out that Volodymyr Zelensky is a known homosexual pedophile who likes little boys.

People get the government they deserve, the Ukraine deserves a joke.
Well I didn't think my prediction would be taken seriously...
Hey, maybe Volodya can handle Rada.
He'll need his sense of humor for sure.

Good luck to him.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #24 on: 01:49 12-Apr-2019 »

Vakarchuk polled 4% on this October poll.  That's half of Zelenskiy at the time.  Everyone wants to be a comedian.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/541332.html


According to the Ukrainian Constitution, Zelensky is not a citizen of Ukraine! He has not lived there for the last 10 years and, happily or fortunately, he cannot stand.

Adding an"i" to his surname in an attempt to Ukrainianize him doesn't wash.

It was fine for a Georgian to be Governor of Odessa.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #25 on: 01:52 12-Apr-2019 »
Zelenskiy is not my Cup of tea, hes a good actor/commedian and he is probably one of the better Ukranians who infact want to change Things to the better for the general people here.
I just think it will be the smartest move to elect him now in wartime, and maybe he even can be fault tha Timoshenkov will win because of some people will vote on him.

BUT he has ZERO experience. ZERO. Has he ever run a business, been elected to run a city, held any government post, member of the Rada? NO. Just a actor that parrots what the writers tell him to say in front of the cameras.  Would he have ANY supporters in the RADA? Unlikely. He would be a Lame Duck President even before he might be elected.

He is a wasted vote.

Zelenskiy's film production companies  are business, and he has been pretty good at it.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #26 on: 04:31 12-Apr-2019 »
Zelenskiy is not my Cup of tea, hes a good actor/commedian and he is probably one of the better Ukranians who infact want to change Things to the better for the general people here.
I just think it will be the smartest move to elect him now in wartime, and maybe he even can be fault tha Timoshenkov will win because of some people will vote on him.

BUT he has ZERO experience. ZERO. Has he ever run a business, been elected to run a city, held any government post, member of the Rada? NO. Just a actor that parrots what the writers tell him to say in front of the cameras.  Would he have ANY supporters in the RADA? Unlikely. He would be a Lame Duck President even before he might be elected.

He is a wasted vote.

Zelenskiy's film production companies  are business, and he has been pretty good at it.


Some of those businesses are in Russia aren't they? Like some of his apartments.
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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #27 on: 08:44 12-Apr-2019 »
Zelenskiy (current favourite based on polling)

- created the tv series 'Servant of the People' - a piece that pretty accurately sums up the feeling of ordinary Ukrainian people about the political system. Has been writing political satire for more than a decade. Has a pretty good understanding of the problems with the system...appears motivated to do something about it, is that appearance cultivated or sincere? 

- acted in lots of movies, skit comedy shows etc... - Not relevant to being President, except to say he can play a role, which is sometimes necessary.

- Is a part-owner of Kvartal 95 - a production company, also has ownership in other production companies, a tv channel (maybe had), has ownership of some Russian showbiz assets, receives dividends/royalties from these assets. Has governing, strategy, and managerial experience in the showbiz realm.

- Has received aid from Kolomovskiy in terms of promotion and PR, through K's media assets, as has Tymoshenko. We don't know whose K's favourite was, I suspect Yulia, because she would sell her grandmother for a Gucci bag.

- Has had a long-standing business relationship with Kolomovskiy. We don't really know how beholden he is to Kolomovskiy, but as he said in an interview with the BBC, almost all Ukrainians work for oligarchs, does that mean these Ukrainians can't have principles?

- Is not currently a part of the political system.

- Appears more flexible, in terms of his "patriotism" than Poroshenko, he generally speaks Russian, is open to negotiation on some issues Poroshenko isn't. He doesn't appear as 'strong' as Poroshenko, who generally projects 'strength' and has done since Maidan, although if you look at earlier footage of Poroshenko he appears weaker...post Orange Revolution etc...when he worked for Yanuk's government etc...

Poroshenko - (currently the underdog)

- Is an oligarch. Understands the problems with the system very clearly, but seems beholden to his allies to protect their corrupt schemes. Has people in his administration who have undertaken corrupt schemes, who remain unpunished.

- Is a successful businessman, like Zelenskiy also has business interests in Russia, through a network of 'friends' etc... 'contacts' etc... He has built a hugely successful confectionary business and also has over 90 companies, some of which have successfully tendered for government projects, some of these have been involved in corruption schemes. He has no managerial role in these companies, but does receive dividends from them. These dividends were huge in 2018, much higher than in 2017.

- Initially influenced a lot of legislative change. Has supported reformers like Suprun, has also blocked some reform, or manipulated it in a way to ensure it doesn't succeed, supported adjusting the wording of certain bills etc...

- Appears to be able to stand up to the Kremlin-based midget, is this just a show?

- Has the support of Ahkmetov and several other major oligarchs.

- Has lost the support of the majority of the populace, according to polling (55% say they would vote for an empty chair rather than him). 

I think the two words that Ukrainians should adopt as their guiding principle is "don't steal", if they did that their problems could be fixed within months. Unfortunately, even with Zelenskiy's team, a whole lot of people will jump on the bandwagon to get their snout in the trough, like it's their turn to rip off the system.
 


 
Keep calm and let karma do its thing.

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #28 on: 08:57 12-Apr-2019 »


It was fine for a Georgian to be Governor of Odessa.


Are you sure? Surely you understood Misha Saakashvili had Ukrainian citizenship bestowed upon him by, wait for it, none other than Poroshenko.

Once he got to work, uncovering and reporting the activities of the local Odessa mafia, including the odious mayor Trukhanov, and the Ukrainian oligarchic thieves, things began to go bad for him. It was as if he was too hot to handle. Poroshenko threw him aside and completely ignored these reports. He was stripped of his Ukrainian citizenship and here we are today.

I cannot believe how easily my family, myself included, and millions of Ukrainians were suckered into believing Poroshenko represented Ukraine?s best presidency candidate amongst those who spoke on Maidan.
« Last Edit: 09:01 12-Apr-2019 by UKUA »

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Re: Laughing off the Election: Volodymyr Zelenskiy
« Reply #29 on: 16:34 12-Apr-2019 »
Actual writers for Servant of the People:

Aleksey Kiryushchenko
Andrey Yakovlev
Yuriy Mikulenko
Mikhail Savin
Andrey Ilkov
Yuri Kostiuk
Dmytro Hryhorenko
Dmytro Kozlov
Oleksandr Brahin
Oleksil Zhuk
Andrii Nesterov

Series Director Aleksey Kiryushchenko

Program creators: Volodymyr Zelensky, Studio Kvartal-95, Aleksey Kiryushchenko, Andrey Yakovlev, Sergey Shefir, Boris Shefir

Zelenskiy is just a mouthpiece of the above writers and some Pro Russian stooges

Peace is the failure of the military to convince the government that it can and should kick its enemies ass.