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Ukrainian Boeing 737 with at least 170 aboard crashes in Iran


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A  Ukrainian plane carrying 170 passengers and crew has crashed near the airport in Tehran, leaving no survivors.

Ukraine's foreign ministry confirmed that everyone aboard the Boeing 737 was killed after it came down shortly after it departed from Imam Khomeini International Airport in the Iranian capital.

Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine's president, offered condolences to the families of the victims and said his government was working to understand the causes of the crash.

An investigation team was at the site of the crash in the southwestern outskirts of Tehran, civil aviation spokesman Reza Jafarzadeh said.

Pir Hossein Kulivand, an Iranian emergency official, told state TV all those on board were killed in the crash. He said rescuers were trying to collect the dead.

Flight data from the airport showed a Ukrainian 737-800 flown by Ukraine International Airlines took off on Wednesday morning, then stopped sending data about eight minutes later, according to racking website FlightRadar24.

What we know so far
Boeing 737 crashed eight minutes after taking off
All 170 passengers killed
Plane appeared to be on fire before it hit the ground
No confirmation that it is related to Iran missile attacks on US sites
The airline did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Ali Hashem, a BBC correspondent, tweeted a video which he claimed showed the plane falling through the air while aflame before crashing into the ground and exploding.

The Ukraine International Airlines flight stopped sending data about eight minutes after it took off from Tehran
The Ukraine International Airlines flight stopped sending data about eight minutes after it took off from
It is not clear whether the incident is related to Iran's missile attacks on US bases in Iraq on Wednesday morning.

Boeing said in a statement: "We are aware of the media reports out of Iran and we are gathering more information."

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Iranian state TV news are claiming that the flight had 176 people on board - 167 passengers and nine crew.

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Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine's president, has confirmed that all 170 passengers aboard the Boeing 737 in Tehran have been killed. He offered condolences to the families of the victims and said his government was working to understand the causes of the crash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/08/iran-plane-crash-170-passengers-feared-dead-ukraine-boeing-737/
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Ukrainian passenger jet crashes near Tehran airport (Photo, video) 07:30, 08 January 2020 WORLD 445 0 None of the nearly 170 passengers survived, local emergency services say. Photo from open sources The Boeing 737-800 belonging to Ukraine International Airlines crashed on Wednesday soon after taking off on 02:42 local time from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport. None of the nearly 170 passengers survived, Reuters reports citing Iran's state television. The plane burst into flames after the crash, said an Iranian emergency service official. Flight PS752 was bound for Kyiv. The video allegedly shot by one of the eyewitnesses shows the plane was on fire while going down. The authorities are still working on the exact number of casualties. PS752 is a regular flight connecting Tehran to Ukraine's capital Kyiv, operated five times per week. The cause of the incident is yet to be established. The Boeing Company is following the reports coming from Tehran. "We are aware of the media reports out of Iran and we are gathering more information," the company said in a tweet. IRIB media corporation reports that the black box has been recovered from the crash site and handed over to Iranian authorities.

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/world/10821380-ukrainian-passenger-jet-crashes-near-tehran-airport-photo-video.html
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Plane was less then 4 years old.
So en Engine malfunction that should make the plane start break apart midair is not the normal.


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Russian TV 1 is already saying the Americans did this on purpose. A new low for the russian propaganda machine.
Peace is the failure of the military to convince the government that it can and should kick its enemies ass.

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Maybe Russia rented out some Crew to handle the SAM's from Iran, and they did forget to look that they send the same crew that Shot down MH17 also.


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The countries of origin of those killed in PS752 crash:  :(

Iran  82;
Canada  63;
Ukraine  2 + 9 (crew);
Sweden  10;
Afghanistan  4;
Germany  3;
Great Britain  3

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Doubts have been cast over Iranian assertions that a deadly Ukrainian plane crash near Tehran was the result of technical failures, with independent aviation operations experts saying a ?shootdown? was the most likely explanation.

Iranian officials said technical issues were behind the Ukrainian International Airlines (UIA) crash, which happened shortly after take-off from Imam Khomeini International Airport on Wednesday morning, killing all 176 people on board.

The Ukrainian embassy in Tehran initially echoed this stance, but later retracted its statement, and instead said it was for an official commission to determine the cause of the accident.

While some aviation experts said it was too early to speculate, the OPS group, an aviation risk monitoring group, said: ?We would recommend the starting assumption to be that this was a shootdown event, similar to MH17 ? until there is clear evidence to the contrary," highlighting photos of the crash site which they said "show obvious projectile holes in the fuselage and a wing section."


UIA has also discounted the possibility of technical problems, insisting there was ?nothing wrong? with the three-year old Boeing 737-800, which had undergone a scheduled technical check only two days earlier.

"We guarantee the safety of our aircraft and the high qualification of our crews,? a spokesperson said.


People and rescue teams are pictured amid bodies and debris
One of the engines

Iran has said it will not be handing over the plane?s black box recorder to US plane manufacturer Boeing.

Philip Baum, the editor of Aviation Security International magazine, said it was too early to speculate.

He told The Independent the incident was notable ?given the fact it was in Iran and the timing, and if you associate two states with shootdowns, as victims, then Ukraine springs to mind purely because of MH17,? and Iran, given the 1988 US shooting down of an Iranian civilian plane.

But, he added, it could just be ?a bizarre coincidence that it should happen at this moment of time.?

?I just think there is nothing to indicate that it was a shootdown, and if it was shot down then by whom??

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Zeev Sarig, the former head of Ben Gurion airport in Israel, said a technical failure could be behind the plane crash, or an explosive device on board.

Speaking to Russian news agency RIA, he said that while a full investigation was necessary, the two main possibilities were, ?a bomb on board that runs on a timer or altitude monitor, exploding when the plane reaches a certain height".

The second possibility, he said, ?is a technical malfunction about which we don't know anything yet. Unfortunately from what I see that looks less likely.?

Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran?s Road and Transportation Ministry, said the pilot ?lost control of the plane? after a fire broke out in one of its engines.

The aircraft is a predecessor to the Boeing 737 Max 8, which has been grounded for 10 months following the Lion Air crash in 2018, and the Ethiopian Airlines crash in 2019.

Faulty flight-control software on board those two Boeing 737 Max 8 airliners resulted in the planes nose-diving, leading to the deaths of 346 people.

Airline officials said most of the passengers were en route to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, transiting through there to other destinations.

Three Britons were among those who died.

On Wednesday morning, Iranian missiles hit US military bases in Iraq, in response to last week?s targeted US killing of top Iranian general, Qassem Soleimani.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-plane-crash-shootdown-ukraine-boeing-latest-a9275051.html?fbclid=IwAR0znG1dnH82Owpar6zKwbPgSd-C4zWUjZZKJTcoMbVlYtTw8n_PBR6JJDk
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Of course Iranians have flight 655 shot down by American in 1988, which was raised as a basis for revenge when Trump suggested a number of potential targets equal to the number of hostage crisis, captives.  Ukrainians are thinking MH17.
If there was a missile strike, then the missile would not be a large one.  It would be a small missile from another aircraft or a portable launcher.  Americans have no motive and in this case it would be hard to discern a Russian motive to try to incite a larger war between Iran, a Russian ally and America. 
So, if a missile was involved, then I will speculate it was launched by an individual or rebel group, if from the ground.  Or it was launched by an Iranian military pilot who thought it was an American military plane. 
  If the incident was caused by an engine malfunction, larger, broken pieces of the turbine blades could escape the armored containment in the engine and make holes in the fuselage.
It seems unlikely that a terrorist would plant a bomb on or inside the engine, because only a few skilled people would have that access and it would be a difficult job compared to other options.  It can happen, but is not likely.

Update:  Reports suggest it was Iranians who shot down the airliner with a small, tracked vehicle mounted Tor M-1 Missile system, small, but not portable. 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video/live-news-coverage-from-cbs-news/ar-BBmYvYY?appwebview=true&ocid=spartanntp
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5dmbyd/us-believes-iran-shot-down-the-ukrainian-jet-by-mistake
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Iran plane crash: Ukrainian jet was 'unintentionally' shot down


Footage appears to show missile strike on Ukrainian plane in Iran
Iran says its military "unintentionally" shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing all 176 people on board, Iran's state TV reports.

The statement said it had done so due to "human error" after the plane flew close to a sensitive site belonging to Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

Mistaken for a "hostile target", the jet was hit by a missile, the statement said.

Those responsible would be held accountable, it added.

Iran had previously rejected suggestions that one of its missiles brought down the plane near the capital, Tehran, on Wednesday.

But pressure mounted after the US and Canada, citing intelligence, said they believed Iran had shot down the plane with a missile, possibly accidently.

In a tweet, Iran's President Hassan Rouhani said the "horrific crash" of the aircraft was an "unforgivable mistake".

Plane crash victims 'were the best of us'
Why were so many Canadians on the plane?
The downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 with the loss of 176 lives came just hours after Iran carried out missile strikes on two airbases housing US forces in Iraq.

The Ukrainian flight, which was headed to the Canadian city of Toronto via the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, came down near Imam Khomeini Airport shortly after take-off.

The plane came down shortly after taking off from Tehran
US media had speculated that the Ukrainian airliner may have been mistaken for a warplane as Iran prepared for possible US retaliation.

The Iranian air strikes were launched in retaliation to the killing of top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani in a US drone attack on 3 January.

In a tweet on Saturday, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif suggested "US adventurism" was partly to blame for the downing of the Ukrainian jet.

Victims of the disaster included 82 Iranians, 57 Canadians and 11 Ukrainians as well as nationals from Sweden, the UK, Afghanistan and Germany.

What does Iran's statement say?
On Saturday morning, an Iranian military statement read on state TV announced that it had struck flight PS752 with a missile by mistake.

The plane, the statement said, had flown near a "sensitive military centre" of the Revolutionary Guards, a force set up to defend the country's Islamic system.

Because of heightened tensions with the US, Iran's military "was at its highest level of readiness", the statement said. "In such a condition, because of human error and in an unintentional way, the flight was hit," it added.

Iran had previously denied it was a missile strike that downed the Ukrainian jet
In the statement, the military apologised for downing the plane, saying it would upgrade its systems to prevent such "mistakes" in the future.

Those responsible for firing the missile, it said, would be prosecuted.

What happened before Iran's announcement?
The announced by Iran's military marks a stark departure from the denials of recent days. As recently as Friday, Iran was insistent that the plane had not been shot down.

"The thing that is clear to us and that we can say with certainty is that this plane was not hit by a missile," Iran's Civil Aviation Organisation (CAOI) chief Ali Abedzadeh said.

On Thursday, government spokesman Ali Rabiei accused the US and its allies of "lying and engaging in psychological warfare" in their speculation over the cause of the accident.

But as evidence pointing to a missile strike built, calls for a transparent investigation grew louder.

Video obtained by the New York Times appeared to show a missile streaking across the night sky over Tehran and then exploding on contact with a plane. About 10 seconds later a loud explosion is heard on the ground. The plane, ablaze, continues to fly.


Mobile phone footage appears to show the plane in the moments before it came down
On Thursday, TV images from the crash site showed a mechanical digger helping to clear debris away, raising concerns that important evidence could have been removed.

In response, Iran promised a full investigation, inviting air accident agencies from Ukraine, Canada and the US to take part.

On Friday, Canada's Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne warned Iran that "the world is watching", telling it that the families of those on board "want the truth".


His warning came a day after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he had received intelligence from multiple sources indicating that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.

A missile strike on a passenger plane is not unprecedented. In July 2014, a Russian-made missile hit a Malaysian civilian airliner over Ukraine, killing 298 people on flight MH17.




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Not sure you guys watch/read Russian media (I do), and just 6 hours before Iran admitted to accidentally shooting down the plane, the Russian deputy foreign minister made a press presentation about how Russia found that Iran was NOT at fault, that it couldn't have been at fault, and even claimed that they can detect ANY Russian SA missiles launched anywhere they are monitoring (and that they constantly monitor this airspace) and that it was evident that the poor mechanical standards of the Ukrainians caused the plane to crash, noting that it had just been "tinkered with" by UIA mechanics.

"Fish swim,
Birds fly,
Dogs bark,
Russians lie".

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Not sure you guys watch/read Russian media (I do), and just 6 hours before Iran admitted to accidentally shooting down the plane, the Russian deputy foreign minister made a press presentation about how Russia found that Iran was NOT at fault, that it couldn't have been at fault, and even claimed that they can detect ANY Russian SA missiles launched anywhere they are monitoring (and that they constantly monitor this airspace) and that it was evident that the poor mechanical standards of the Ukrainians caused the plane to crash, noting that it had just been "tinkered with" by UIA mechanics.

"Fish swim,
Birds fly,
Dogs bark,
Russians lie".

Russia has sufficient satellite and other surveillance assets to observe what happened in neighboring Iran, so that even if they don't trust anyone, they doubtless had better access to evidence Iran shot the plane down, than most countries.

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Not sure you guys watch/read Russian media (I do), and just 6 hours before Iran admitted to accidentally shooting down the plane, the Russian deputy foreign minister made a press presentation about how Russia found that Iran was NOT at fault, that it couldn't have been at fault, and even claimed that they can detect ANY Russian SA missiles launched anywhere they are monitoring (and that they constantly monitor this airspace) and that it was evident that the poor mechanical standards of the Ukrainians caused the plane to crash, noting that it had just been "tinkered with" by UIA mechanics.

"Fish swim,
Birds fly,
Dogs bark,
Russians lie".


russians can eat the crusty sh it out of my dog's ass.
You can take that attitude to the bank.
Peace is the failure of the military to convince the government that it can and should kick its enemies ass.

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It would be amusing if the Navy would request another Port Call in Beirut, such as was done in 2019.  The U.S. has provided $ Hundreds of millions to the Lebanese Army, over the years, to pretend to rein in Hezbollah, and port visits are part of the deal:
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/09/16/a-us-missile-destroyer-made-historic-visit-to-beirut-as-regional-tensions-mount/
I am sure they would be welcome again.
https://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Hezbollah-says-payback-for-US-strike-has-just-14969343.php


There are now reports that that Iran's airport and flight paths over air defense bases may have been deliberately not closed, so that civilian aircraft traversing them could serve as human shields.
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