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Covid medical insurance
« on: 16:17 15-Jun-2020 »
With these new rules for foreigners entering Ukraine at Borispil, specifically U.S. citizens, it requires proof of medical insurance that will cover Covid treatment in Ukraine.  Well, what kind of proof do they need, anybody know?  I can show my insurance card but what would that tell them?


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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #1 on: 21:12 15-Jun-2020 »
Probably ordinary medical insurance that you buy with your plane ticket.  Maybe there is some new initiative, but I have never been asked to show proof of insurance in dozens of visits as a tourist, all before the pandemic.  As an expat with foreign insurance, depending upon policy and country, you might be covered, in which case you might just ask your provider for proof of that.  You technically have to have proof of insurance, just generally, not only for Covid-19.  So, mentioning this is redundant, but might suggest that some "Third World" countries have weird insurance that excludes it.  Many countries let you buy acceptable insurance right there, at the airport, but it might not be the best deal if available.  In the U.S. , corporations with workers abroad, often buy insurance that pays for visits to American style clinics in Ukraine.  Usually that option is the most expensive and American style clinics don't always offer better care than Kyiv's best hospitals.
Along with your insurance card, you might wish to bring some documentation from the insurance website, that you are covered for travel abroad and some indication of what is covered.  Many policies may not yet have documents online that specify Covid, but they all might say they cover all infectious diseases or all excepting ebola.

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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #2 on: 06:44 05-Oct-2020 »
 Coronavirus cases will double to 9,000 new cases a day by the end of this year, Dr. Jarno Habicht, representative in Ukraine for the World Health Organization, predicts in an interview with Suspilne (Public) TV. Last week, Ukraine registered four successive days of record new infections, culminating with 4,661 on Saturday. ?Our research shows that only one person in four washes their hands regularly,? Habicht said. ?We also see that every third person does not maintain physical distance when attending various events.?

Ukraine ranks 5th in the world for daily new corona infections ? after India, US, Russia and Mexico, according to the Worldometer daily tally of new cases. As of Sunday, the tally was: India ? 26,265; United States ? 15,333; Russia ? 10,499; Mexico ?4,863; and Ukraine ? 4,140. With 36 million people, Ukraine ranks about 40th worldwide in population size.



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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #3 on: 09:01 06-Oct-2020 »
Figures don't lie but liars figure.

Ukraine's population is around 43 million not 36 million as shown.    ( https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/ )

 Error or cooking the books?
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #4 on: 12:09 06-Oct-2020 »
Figures don't lie but liars figure.

Ukraine's population is around 43 million not 36 million as shown.    ( https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/ )

 Error or cooking the books?

Good question for James Brooke who wrote this in his daily Ukraine newsletter. 

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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #5 on: 14:13 06-Oct-2020 »
Figures don't lie but liars figure.

Ukraine's population is around 43 million not 36 million as shown.    ( https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/ )

 Error or cooking the books?

Lie or stupid/honest mistake?

I believe you'll find that 36 million was most likely meant to refer to ethnic Ukrainians. The remaining 7 million may refer to  other ethnic minorities such as Russian, Moldovan, Belarussian and even Turkish, Romanian etc.

Just saying as it is a possibility. Suggest sending a tweet to James Brooke.


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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #6 on: 15:11 06-Oct-2020 »
Does the covid prefer ethnic Ukrainian's over others? :O

IMHO if they're carrying a Ukrainian passport, it doesn't matter where their great grandpappy came from. They're Ukrainians.
 
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #7 on: 23:06 06-Oct-2020 »
Does the covid prefer ethnic Ukrainian's over others? :O

IMHO if they're carrying a Ukrainian passport, it doesn't matter where their great grandpappy came from. They're Ukrainians.

You're getting over-excited! Who questioned whether they are Ukrainians. What I was suggesting is where the 36 million came from. If you like, questioning whether James Brooke made an honest mistake or was he was trying to stir things up? No more, no less.

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« Reply #8 on: 07:52 07-Oct-2020 »
Hardly excited but it still doesn't jibe. 
 Breaking down Ukraine into different areas, fine. But breaking it down to population ethnicity's doesn't make any sense.
 I have no idea who James Brooke is but I'll dismiss his writings because of his error/ or 'fudging the numbers".
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #9 on: 09:07 07-Oct-2020 »
James Brooke is a well-respected journalist.  But it seems he just translated what was written in the Ukraine media like for example here:

За месяц запрета на въезд большинства иностранцев, уровень инфицирования в Украине увеличился примерно на 50%, в среднем до 3 тыс. новых случаев в день. В субботу утром власти объявили о рекордных 3 833 новых случаях для Украины, в том числе о рекордных 447 новых случаях для Киева, основного порта въезда для иностранцев. Согласно диаграмме коронавируса Worldometer, Украина занимает среднее место: 25-е в мире по количеству известных случаев ? 201 305; и 33-е в мире по количеству погибших ? почти 4 тыс. По данным правительства, население Украины составляет 36 миллионов человек ? 39-е место в мире.

https://nv.ua/biz/experts/otkrytie-granic-biznes-i-koronavirus-kitayskie-konteynernye-poezda-novosti-ukrainy-50114776.html

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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #10 on: 23:08 07-Oct-2020 »
Thank you K for clearing that up and confirming my suspicions that James Brooke had most likely not fully checked his sources.

When I first visited Ukraine, the population count was in excess of 51 million!!  :o ???


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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #11 on: 22:06 08-Oct-2020 »
The link you gave was written by him.
  "During the month of the ban on the entry of most foreigners, the level of infection in Ukraine increased by about 50%, to an average of 3 thousand new cases per day. On Saturday morning, authorities announced a record 3,833 new cases for Ukraine, including a record 447 new cases for Kiev, the main port of entry for foreigners. According to the Worldometer coronavirus chart , Ukraine ranks average: 25th in the world in terms of the number of known cases - 201,305; and 33rd in the world in terms of the number of deaths - almost 4 thousand. According to the government, the population of Ukraine is 36 million people - 39th in the world.'

 Either by error or on purpose he screwed up.
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #12 on: 03:34 09-Oct-2020 »
He cannot have written this because he does not write in Russian.

But having done some further research, the reason is actually different:

The actual population in the territories controlled by Ukraine at the end of 2019 only amounted to about 37 million people.

https://www.kmu.gov.ua/news/oprilyudneno-rezultati-ocinki-chiselnosti-nayavnogo-naselennya-ukrayini

https://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/naselenie-ukrainy-sostavlyaet-37-mln-289-tys-chelovek-kabmin-523050.html

Оценка не охватывает неподконтрольные территории Крыма, Донецкой и Луганской областей.

And of course the infection data also only relates to the territory controlled by Ukraine.  So calculating the ratios in this way is exactly the right way.
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #13 on: 05:56 09-Oct-2020 »
Brookes picture and name is at the top left of the article. I don't see anyone else.

If he referred to the controlled area then That'd make sense that approx. number. But still off a bit from the numbers that you gathered.
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Re: Covid medical insurance
« Reply #14 on: 06:03 09-Oct-2020 »
Brookes picture and name is at the top left of the article. I don't see anyone else.

If he referred to the controlled area then That'd make sense that approx. number. But still off a bit from the numbers that you gathered.

Maybe the total excluded the amount of Ukrainians living abroad for work? I mean they are spread across Europe like a plague.