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This is your eagerly awaited chance to discuss the pride and the psychosis.  Trump did many things, some good and some unbelievably idiotic.  But, his quarter page in American High school history will feature the riot he unleashed and celebrated, as it assaulted America's sacred institutions of democracy.


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Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, "This is what democracy looks like."

Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, "To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible." 

Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, "It's understandable."

Remember this summer's riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police?  We were told, "These are mostly peaceful protests."

Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone?

Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, "It's a block party atmosphere."

Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, "No justice, no peace."

Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, "This is the only way oppressed people can be heard."

I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they've been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol yesterday. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn't nullify the concerns of the many.

The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it's the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.

The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left caused this, and it's about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, "It's time for unity." It's time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!

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The President of the United States directed a mob  that he groomed and cultivated on social media, to the Capitol buildings, where they rioted whilst our elected representatives cowered under the furnishings.  This was a historical event, and whatever good things Trump did during his four years, now this is going to be what he is remembered for.  What he did can be framed as an "The 2021 Insurrection" or violation of "Sedition acts," and legally the crimes may be more serious than mere riot related incidents. 
There was never the slightest chance he could change the election result, which also is now history.  Trump thought his lawsuits, threatening public officials, and now a mob on Capitol Hill to interrupt the counting of Electoral votes, could change the results.  But, the whole project was the psychotic fantasy of a man who, unsatisfied with being President, is a the Kremlin-based midget fanboy and wants to be like the Kremlin-based midget, or like his good friend, Kim Jong Un, "Rocket man."  Trump wants to overturn centuries of democracy in America and be a dictator.  It isn't a realistic possibility, and an ordinary person's ego would not demand that, but he is now psychotic.  He needs treatment and meds, not to be an object of worship by his supporters who probably make his problems even worse.

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Majority Whip Clyburne told the media that the House might wait 100 Days and then (maybe) Impeach, because Biden's agenda will be stalled for the duration of the trial.  If they don't strike while the iron is hot, it will probably fail.  But, if they do it, then much of Biden's first 100 days, often the most effective in a Presidency, could be lost.  Delaying Democrat legislation would be good for Republicans, since Dems control both branches of the legislature and the Presidency.  Much of the opposition's power is the power to delay the Democrat agenda.
Nancy Pelosi, Speaker, has not yet reversed her plan to introduce articles on Monday and it will be very difficult, despite Biden's wishes, not to placate a very angry majority.
Update: An Impeachment vote will occur in the House next week.  If Successful, the Articles of Impeachement would be referred to the Senate at an undecided future date.  I think if it doesn't happen soon, then it won't happen.  17 Republican votes needed and less than half than number of Senators publicaly appear inclined to support Conviction. 

Trump has had this mental illness for some time, but at the beginning  of his term when he wanted to do something insane or foolish, he was easily diverted.  Was this, because he had better staffers?  Or is has his illness progressed so that he is worse now?  But, when he decided that regardless of the facts or truth, he wanted the 2020 election not to count, he could not stop himself or be diverted from trying one thing after another until he overstepped.  Ten Secretaries of Defense signed a letter recently, concerned that Trump might try to use the military to overthrow the government, following a purge of military related officials.

Fun polls!  52% of Republicans believe Biden is mostly responsible for the attack on the Capitol.  69% of Republicans think Trump is minimally responsible for the attack.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jaw-dropping-poll-majority-of-republicans-blame-capitol-insurrection-on-joe-biden/ar-BB1cBSCR?ocid=msedgntp

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Of course we all know how accurate the "polls" are.
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Of course we all know how accurate the "polls" are.

In the wake of the riots, Trump's approval rating increases to 48% according to the most recent Rasmussen poll with 5.3% margin of error. :)

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Of course we all know how accurate the "polls" are.

In the wake of the riots, Trump's approval rating increases to 48% according to the most recent Rasmussen poll with 5.3% margin of error. :)

FiveThirtyEight gives the firm a "C+" rating, reporting it had a 3.9-point bias in favor of Republican candidates in the 2010 midterm election.

Might have doubled that for 2020/1!


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About 30% of my fellow Republicans support what happened at the Capitol.  The riots there are different from most riots elsewhere, because Trump wanted to replace the precedent of hundreds of years of Democracy (with the occasional interruption) and be President for life without meaningful elections. 
Local rioters like the Autonomous zoners, BLM etc., might interfere with civil rights locally, but don't take away the franchise of voting, or the meaning of the right to vote from tens of millions of people.  Anarchy was the opposite of what Trump wanted.

In the news, Congress is hoping to invoke the 14th Amendment which would prohibit persons guilty of insurrection from occupying a public office.  But, a path or process for invoking the 14th Amendment is not clear.   It has not been used since Reconstruction.  The Fourteenth was mentioned in the Article of Impeachment and Trump's crime is officially Insurrection.  What do you do, go to the Supreme Court?  What is the legal definition of Insurrection?  The advantage may be that the murkiness of the Amendment means it might not require action by the House or Senate.  Trump's Conviction after Impeachment (if that happens tomorrow), Conviction still has only a few Republican Senator,  supporting it.  A few Dems want Ted Cruz and Senator Hawley to be charged with Insurrection as well, which seems more dubious than weaponizing it against Trump.
 
Fun Fact:  Joe Biden voted to posthumously restore full citizenship to Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee in the 1970's.  Nancy Pelosi's Lectern went up to $56000 on ebay, before the auction came down and someone was arrested.

Trump has been told that he may be financially liable, personally for the trashing of our little citadel of democracy and the deaths within.  That could be harder to dodge than his corporate bankruptcies back in the day.

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To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, there they go again. Frantic to extinguish any chance Donald Trump will ever again run for office, Democrats have pushed through an express-train impeachment, concluding the president incited ?violence against the government of the United States.?

The hasty undertaking, unencumbered by deliberations, investigations or witnesses? sworn testimony, cheapens the sober intent of the impeachment process. It smacks of partisan vindictiveness. When New York U.S. Rep. Hakeem Jeffries describes the president himself as a ?living, breathing, impeachable offense,? he gives the game away.

Democrats are certainly correct in labeling the assault on the U.S. Capitol as horrific, especially as it led to several deaths. They are also correct that Trump?s incendiary rhetoric these past several weeks raised temperatures past the boiling point and inspired some of those who unforgivably breached the halls of Congress.

But rushing to impeach a president who has only seven days remaining in his term is itself an affront to our democracy. Impeachment is meant to be a last resort means of expelling a president, not a political weapon. There has not been a serious probe of what happened that terrible day, how the rioting was organized and by whom. Timelines and social media accounts show that the breaching of the Capitol took place even as Trump was still speaking to the large crowd of followers, and that the organizers may have plotted out the event in advance, mainly on Twitter and Facebook.

Democrats have no patience for a sober assessment of what went wrong; they want to humiliate a president who provoked and embarrassed them for four years, and who has accomplished much despite their incessant resistance.

Had they voted to censure Trump, they might have brought Republicans on board. As it is, only 10 Republicans in the House voted to impeach; 197 sided with the president. Democrats risk creating a martyr who will continue to have significant influence and who will bedevil them for the foreseeable future.

Polling confirms the attack on the Capitol has badly damaged Trump?s approval ratings, with a Politico/Morning Consult survey showing 75% of Republicans approving of the job the president is doing, down from 83% in December. Had Democrats followed a more measured course, confidence in the president would likely have drifted lower, especially as Trump?s social media bullhorn has been virtually silenced.

Instead, Democrats have wounded not only President Trump, but also their own president-elect. Joe Biden ran for president promising to bring the country together. His inaugural theme is America United. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her colleagues have made a mockery of Biden?s appealing entreaty. Her vindictive push to impeach has shown that Biden is not really in charge of his political party. If he were, surely he would have talked Pelosi and her angry House Democrats down from the ledge and convinced her to seek some lesser resolution.

The New York Times writes admiringly that Biden ?stays above the fray? and ?has maintained a studied cool? as he works toward ?lowering the political temperature.? The president-elect, notes the Times, has deferred to Pelosi and other Democrats in Congress. That?s one way of looking at it. Here?s another: Turning this critical political moment over to Pelosi and her enraged colleagues seems more like submission than deferral. It reads as weakness.

Thanks to the House, Biden?s inauguration ? despite Lady Gaga?s best efforts ? will now be overshadowed by ongoing impeachment drama. It is not clear when the articles of impeachment will be delivered to the Senate, but Majority Leader Mitch McConnell rejected requests from Democrats to call the chamber back early in order to immediately rush ahead with the necessary trial.

McConnell issued a statement saying there was ?simply no chance that could conclude? before Inauguration Day. So even as Biden takes office on Wednesday, headlines will focus on speculation about whether McConnell will vote to convict the president, how many NeverTrump Republicans such as Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski will join Democrats, and who will defend the president.

Biden will see his big day subsumed into more bitter partisan politics. Moreover, the outgoing president will remain center stage, which no incoming president would ever like. The longer the impeachment drama drags out, the longer Trump gets to rail about a ?rigged? election, convincing millions that Biden is not a legitimate president.

Biden has big plans. He has promised on Day One of his administration to rejoin the World Health Organization, reach out to our NATO allies, roll out a giant stimulus program, reenter the Paris climate accords, reverse Trump?s immigration practices, eliminate Trump?s tax cuts and clamp down on U.S. oil and gas production. He also vows to vanquish COVID-19. He wants to get his Cabinet nominees confirmed. All these ambitions will be delayed by a Senate impeachment trial.

Even if he succeeds in somehow moving his agenda forward, the nation?s attention will be diverted elsewhere in his administration?s early days. On the other hand, given that Biden ran a successful campaign by staying largely out of sight in his basement for months on end and eschewing any free-for-all conversations with the media, maybe having the country focused elsewhere suits him just fine.

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JAN 15, 2021 AT 6:09 PM
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McConnell is furious about the trashing of America's sacred symbols of democracy of which he has been a custodian for some time and clearly were Trump re-elected, then more janitorial staff would be required at the Capitol.  McConnell has not spoken to Trump since he temporarily refused to sign the Stimulus after letting Congress believe he would do it.  McConnell who had something to do with Trump's intermittent legislative victories, might vote to Convict in the Senate.  If he votes to convict, then several Senators will follow him in doing so, whether, because McConnell's position gives them cover or out of genuine loyalty.  It is unclear whether McConnell's lead would be enough to convict, probably not.  So, that suggests about five Senators plus McConnell and friends to convict.  Conviction requires seventeen Senators.
   Given that Trump presided over inciting a mob that not only  trashed some of the most important symbols of democracy and the Republic, which every congressperson has sworn to defend and that some of them were really frightened by this and that even Trump's closest allies, his most loyal, are angry with some of the few remaining resigning, the suggestion that Congress should be conciliatory seems unrealistic.  I would draw the line where Democrats try to prosecute or expel from legislative bodies, people who did not violate the law.  I am also uncomfortable about the voices of political opponents who were not inciting riot, being banned from speech on the popular social media platforms, or platforms dedicated to serving them forced to go dark.  That is going too far.
As for Biden's agenda, the Dems are going to use "Budget Reconciliation," a process used for controversial legislation, because it allows a simple majority to pass, without filibuster/lengthy debate.  This has some disadvantages, because not all provisions can be included, but if all Dem Senators vote for it, plus Kamala, then much of Biden's plans can be enacted into law.  The thing is, though, that this is a declaration of partisan war and Republicans will not work together with Democrats in Congress, for some time after this happens.  It also means that there is no real intent behind Biden's desire to bring everyone together.  Democrats do see the riot and Trump's unhinged effort to overturn the obviously fair election as the key to bringing the Republican party down enough to give Dems a chance to avoid massive congressional seat, losses in the midterm elections of 2022.

Update:  Biden is starting his term by attempting to legalize eleven million illegal immigrants, (could be less, because counts are not up to date and many have been fleeing a jobless, plague infested America,)  a move far to the left of what Obama attempted.  Perhaps this is simply a high opening bid or a bluff, but one thing it is not is an olive branch.

Analysis of voting in Georgia shows that Purdue the Republican candidate for Senator lost for the really weird reason that Trump's baseless  complaints of a stolen election in November suppressed small town black voters who voted for Trump, but became disillusioned and didn't get out to vote in the January runoff, resulting in low turnout.  Educated, affluent, suburban white voters had very high turnout, despite assumptions that they would be alienated by Trump's election complaints.  Trump gave the Senate to the Dems.  Melania apparently skipped the welcome tea ceremony, departing First Ladies have given for new arrivals since the 1950's.  Trump left the White House without the usual military sendoff given to the leader of the free world, leaving the White House for the last time.
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The result of election was very unbelievable, Trump had have been counted ahead in a days in some Swing states, but after one night, the result was downturn. The duration of poll counting was unreasonable long.
Many people though it was a electoral fraud !

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The result of election was very unbelievable, Trump had have been counted ahead in a days in some Swing states, but after one night, the result was downturn. The duration of poll counting was unreasonable long.
Many people though it was a electoral fraud !

Trump's lawyers brought claims of election fraud to court, filing about sixty cases in various States.  In most of these cases they made claims of fraud, but produced no evidence and witnesses proved unreliable and the cases were thrown out by the judges who were often appointed by fellow Republicans.  Note that evidence was not presented, because if an attorney knowingly presents false information in court, that can be a crime in of itself.  Officials, often Republicans who supported Trump in the election, investigated and found little or no fraud in their States' elections.  Trump's Attorney General, his appointee, ordered an investigation of how states conducted the election, and AG Bob Barr reported that no significant fraud that could have changed the result had been found.  Few errors in vote counting were discovered.
   Swing States by definition are States where the vote is expected to be close and where either major party candidate can win.  In 2016 Hillary was predicted by polling to win swing states that she lost.  She complained about Russian interference and the Russia Collusion investigations began, but the fact is she simply lost.
   

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She complained about Russian interference and the Russia Collusion investigations began, but the fact is she simply lost.
 

Yeeah anything to deflect the fact that her emails were out to several countries, including Russia. There was no collusion in the end of all that ranting.
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Trump's lawyers brought claims of election fraud to court, filing about sixty cases in various States.

The few were heard in court were dismissed or found with no standing.  Then there were all the filed cases that courts refused to hear.  There are hundreds of signed and sworn affidavits attesting to fraud at the polls.  Something stinks here.

I was a poll watcher at my precinct and everything was on the up & up there, but I live in a predominately red district (Maine CD 2).  We had Reps and Dems working together there.  Not so in many places.
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