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A great Idea
« on: 14:44 26-Apr-2011 »
I found this and as great as the idea is it makes me sad because I doubt it would be possible in Ukraine without some old Soviet bureaucrats, and their Corporate cronies, sending plenty of heavily armed thugs in ski masks to stop something like this.  

Wasn't the theoretical goal of socialism to put the means of production into the peoples' hands? Not to have giant conglomerates which make slaves of most people and concentrate wealth into the hands of an elite few?

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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #1 on: 15:00 26-Apr-2011 »
another great link for those who like to build their own tools.

http://www.independencejournal.com/PDL/
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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #2 on: 19:23 26-Apr-2011 »
This is a very cool idea. However, I have questions. Not every farmer or even a community of farmers have resources or knowledge to go to the Internet , download their instructional videos in order to build their own farming equipment.
One will need at least materials, skills ,time etc. to build those tractor-like things.
I would assume he is a small or medium scale farmer. Honestly, to me, it sounds like a better idea to just establish a network of rental facilities , where this equipment could be rented for the season (because it is needed just a few months in a year), or farmers could organize themselves in a cooperative and pull their resources to share the equipment.
I like his idea and all that , but I do not see individual farmers building their own tractors out of recyclable materials in the near future.Maybe that is because I am not a visionary like this guy is, but to me it just does not seem very practical .
Good for him though. He has a technical degree and can build his own tractors but very few other ,less technical people, will be able to do the same (IMHO).
« Last Edit: 11:20 27-Apr-2011 by Vera »
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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #3 on: 19:29 26-Apr-2011 »
Vera, the early European settlers of North America were just like this. They worked to together in almost a commune fashion to survive and prosper. They were a true community and someone's equipment broke, they helped. It is something that lacks today. Instead working as a community, we look at the government to help to aid us. It is why we are failing today as a nation.


This is a very cool idea. However, I have questions. Not every farmer or even a community of farmers have resources or knowledge to go to the Internet , download their instructional videos in order to build their own farming equipment.
One will need at least materials, skills ,time etc. to build those tractor-like things.
I would assume he is a small or medium scale farmer. Honestly, to me, it sounds like a better idea to just establish a network of rental facilities , where this equipment could be rented for the season (because it is needed just a few months in a year), or farmers could organize in a cooperative and pull their resources to share the equipment.
I like his idea and all that , but I do not see individual farmers building their own tractors out of recyclable materials in the near future.Maybe that is because I am not a visionary like this guy is, but to me it just does not seem very practical .
Good for him though. He has a technical degree and can build his own tractors but very few other ,less technical people, will be able to do the same (IMHO).

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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #4 on: 11:42 27-Apr-2011 »
The very early European settlers of North America, mostly didn't know what they were doing, were often placed there by  financial syndicates, hoping to make a fortune growing tobacco,  and they mostly died.
  Later, when things got moving, and colonies were successful, they worked together closely, partly because many of the laborers were indentured servants, and of course, eventually slavery...
When evil, giant industrial companies, made farm machinery that could do the work of a hundred forced laborers, indentured servitude and slavery were no longer necessary to agriculture.  Emancipation and the end of these wageless employment models, might have more to do with the machines made by giant, souless companies, than with moralizing philosophers and politicians.

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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #5 on: 16:06 27-Apr-2011 »
The very early European settlers of North America, mostly didn't know what they were doing, were often placed there by  financial syndicates, hoping to make a fortune growing tobacco,  and they mostly died.
  Later, when things got moving, and colonies were successful, they worked together closely, partly because many of the laborers were indentured servants, and of course, eventually slavery...
When evil, giant industrial companies, made farm machinery that could do the work of a hundred forced laborers, indentured servitude and slavery were no longer necessary to agriculture.  Emancipation and the end of these wageless employment models, might have more to do with the machines made by giant, souless companies, than with moralizing philosophers and politicians.

Sorry, they did not have this in Canada
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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #6 on: 16:22 27-Apr-2011 »
I found this and as great as the idea is it makes me sad because I doubt it would be possible in Ukraine without some old Soviet bureaucrats, and their Corporate cronies, sending plenty of heavily armed thugs in ski masks to stop something like this.  

You know how a family (usually extended) in Ukraine plants potatoes every year  ;D?
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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #7 on: 16:54 27-Apr-2011 »
Watched a video about an older couple who moved back to Chernobyl and back to their farm.
At age 77, him and the wife were still using their own labour to pull a plow and such.
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Re: A great Idea
« Reply #8 on: 17:00 27-Apr-2011 »
Watched a video about an older couple who moved back to Chernobyl and back to their farm.
At age 77, him and the wife were still using their own labour to pull a plow and such.

Usually it's one of the two scenarios :

# 1 the whole extended family goes to the village and prepares the soil for planting using shovels and such but working all together, so they till and plant all in one weekend (team work at it's best).

# 2 There is always some "uncle Vasya" in the village who owns some sort of an old tractor who for a small fee (whatever that might be)  will till the land in a few hours.

No need to own a tractor at all really.  8)

« Last Edit: 17:06 27-Apr-2011 by Vera »
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