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Title: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: kyivkpic on 14:42 28-Feb-2018
I still think that Vitali may be Ukraine's great white hope. I believed it back in Euromaidan too. He actually has done a lot for Kyiv and I can't imagine the degenerates he has to deal with running this city.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Reggie on 15:59 28-Feb-2018
I still think that Vitali may be Ukraine's great white hope. I believed it back in Euromaidan too. He actually has done a lot for Kyiv and I can't imagine the degenerates he has to deal with running this city.

Any thoughts?

Just speculation on my part - but he is one of the degenerates. 

Did he say anything when Saakashvili was deported?

Any word from him about the corruption among peers? 

No?  That's your answer.
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Reggie on 16:18 28-Feb-2018

Ukrainian journalists from the Nashi Groshi TV program have "inspected" a 10-ha estate used by Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko and revealed numerous violations of environmental requirements, including those stipulated in the Water Code. Read also Kyiv mayor, Chinese consortium agree on $2 bln deal to build fourth subway line The estate is located on the bank of Kyiv Reservoir, locally called the Kyiv Sea, which is a large water reservoir located on the Dnieper River, which is about 30 km from Kyiv. Klitschko's neighbors are former Prime Minister buttock niy Yatsenyuk and businessman Oleksandr Yaroslavsky. The estate stretches to almost 10 hectares of the pine wood, with more than 15 facilities scattered across the area. Among them is a house with an area of almost 800 square meters, a bathhouse, a house for service staff and guards, as well as a floating house on the Dnieper. All these facilities are located on the riverside and occupy about 30 acres of water, which is a violation of water and land regulations. What is more, these facilities are unlawfully fenced off, as the Water Code states that the riverside should be left accessible and there should not be any facilities directly on the water. A construction team that is working on the spot and local guards reacted to the journalists quite aggressively and flatly refused to give any comment. The area is registered as property of one of Klitschko's allies, while Klitschko's wife, Natalia, is recorded as the owner of the facilities. Klitschko himself declined to comment on this, alleging he "had got everything ready," therefore he had not broken any law.

Read more on UNIAN: https://kiev.unian.info/10024871-journalist-probe-kyiv-mayor-klitschko-s-villa-being-built-in-violation-of-water-code-video.html
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Ted on 16:23 28-Feb-2018
Just another corrupt guy who sees only $. No respect for him at all.
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: frank1010 on 19:25 28-Feb-2018
By the way did he also reveal his assets as required for RADA members? I have  always suspected that being a boxer his priority is to looking after his own fortune and not bothering about the people in Kiew.
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: kyivkpic on 20:41 28-Feb-2018
I'm not convinced he's just another degenerate. You guys aren't giving me any real reasons to change my mind.

Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Ted on 21:07 28-Feb-2018
There is a difference between degenerate and corrupt asshole....
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Reggie on 23:13 28-Feb-2018
I'm not convinced he just another degenerate. You guys aren't giving me any real reasons to change my mind.

Don't you think Klitschko has a responsibility to speak out about the people in his own party that are continuing to allow corruption?

Don't you think Klitschko has a responsibility to defend political opponents like Saakashvili so Ukraine becomes a country based on fair elections and free speech?

I don't get it: What's so good about Klitschko?
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Ted on 05:32 01-Mar-2018
He was just a large boxer with a long reach.
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: kyivkpic on 10:37 01-Mar-2018
I'm not convinced he just another degenerate. You guys aren't giving me any real reasons to change my mind.

Don't you think Klitschko has a responsibility to speak out about the people in his own party that are continuing to allow corruption?

Don't you think Klitschko has a responsibility to defend political opponents like Saakashvili so Ukraine becomes a country based on fair elections and free speech?

I don't get it: What's so good about Klitschko?

He rebuilt a very nice park, sports fields, beach and athletic centre around a lake where I used to live right after Euromaidan. They even keep it stocked with fish now and have fishing competitions. He doesn't get much publicity as the mayor of Kyiv but he is making efforts and some good things among millions of people of just don't give a Frak if they live in poop. I saw him with people and I don't think he is a psychopath. I think he truly cares about making Ukraine a better country. He's still here. However, despite his fighting prowess he isn't ruthless or vicious which makes him seem relatively weak politically in Ukraine. I think he's trying to not make too many enemies, biding his time and I think if he had been more aggressive politically during the revolution he would have been dragged down by now. Now he has more of a foundation. His businesses he invested with money he actually earned honestly unlike most the the elites and they aren't anything particularly scandalous. When you live with...it's hard to be clean.

There's a video of him saying a few things at Davos. He's very very careful in what he says. He knows if he runs his mouth and points fingers publicly he'll just be destroyed. He's reserved and I think for good reason. I think he takes a long view, always has and that's why he was a champion fighter and he didn't poop talk much then.

But I don't know. I'm just trying to find something to give me some hope and I like him.

I don't Klitchko's opinion of Saakashvili or his antics and dispute with Poroshenko. Klitchko is more of a man of action than words.

Saakashvili could never be president, which is what he wants, so it's kind of irrelevant. Poroshenko is stopping us or the public from saying whatever we want and the upcoming presidential election will see if there can be fair elections and peaceful expedited reforms.








 
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Pantherdk on 11:02 01-Mar-2018
I just love when people Down here like when the Mayor Build a Nice park, A Beach or something decorative :)

These Money could have been invested in better infrastructure which would give an return in better busines conditionen = More income to the city..
But no everyone want to have the nice park before the normal road...
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: kyivkpic on 11:07 01-Mar-2018
Yeah, I'm sure being Mayor of this ghetto is easy.

It's not trivial what's he's done at Telbin lake. HydroPark is about to be redone as well.
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: David Rochlin on 11:13 01-Mar-2018
Does he still own that strip club?
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Carlusha on 11:19 01-Mar-2018

He knows if he runs his mouth and points fingers publicly he'll just be destroyed.


That is EXACTLY what destroyed Saakashvili but, HTF do you bring attention to the many wrongs masquerading as rights?



Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: Reggie on 12:20 01-Mar-2018
Looks like there are 3 important factions:

1.  The Poroshenko Oligarch & Corruption Party

2.  The Azov Nationalist / NAZI Party (depending on who you ask)

3.  The Saakashvili Pro-Western Party.


It could all be an illusion; they could all be working hand-in-hand with each other. 

Russia may influence one or all in the future. 

And there might be more viable parties in the future (e.g., the communists may rise in popularity a little).

But on the face of it, that's it: 3 types of choices.

If Ukrainians want the country to slip into destruction or remain a post-Soviet wasteland; I suppose that's their choice.  It seems to be where it's all going now. 

But later I don't want to hear any bitching about how they had to sell their kidneys to buy bread, or separatist movements in the Western or Southern parts of the country.   There's a limit: at some point they have chosen their fate.   Countries come and go; it's happened a lot throughout history.  If they are too stubborn or stupid to make the correct shift towards the West like Poland and East Germany did, it's their problem.   There's also hunger and poverty in Africa and South America - the only difference is Ukrainians really chose to have these problems.   


* If I was a Ukrainian, I would choose the most western outsider to run the country.  Might not work, but that's where my hope would be.  And at this point that seems to be Saakashvili.  He has a Dutch wife and kid.  Longtime proven enemy of the Kremlin-based midget.  Lived in Brooklyn and taught at a US University there.  An ethnic outsider.    That's where I'd place my hope; choosing another white-shoe oligarch from Ukraine is like asking to be poked in the eye after you've been kicked in the balls; they need outsiders.  Again, might not work; but that's where my hope would sit.

With Saakashvili you also get his wife:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Roelofs

What do Mrs. Poroshenko and Klitscho do besides shop and play with frozen cucumbers and cosmetics?
Title: Re: Vitali Klitschko?
Post by: frank1010 on 00:25 02-Mar-2018
Good point Reggie and I believe clever Mr. chocolate oligarch has seen this scenario which is why he got this alternative 3 wiped out from the board by stripping Mr. S of his citizenship. clever move in order to protect the oligarchs self-service wellfare business.