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Title: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 14:50 19-Sep-2010
Well, okay that's more than one question. Oh alright then I'll go first since I brought it up!

In May 2005 in New Zealand, after surviving a somewhat scaring relationship with a local woman in my little home town and being the quiet chap that I was/am, I decided to go on the internet in order to find a girlfriend from a wider gene pool.

I met and dated a couple of nice ladies and before writing to a woman, 47 years old whose address was given as Auckland, 240 kilometers away.
After a couple of letters I wrote and asked her that if I came up to Auckland could we meet? Where upon she replied saying that she actually lived a little further away, in Odessa, Ukraine and now knowing this did I want to continue our communication?
 
A quick perusal of the map located Odessa 17,000 kilometers away. Yeah, well why not.
December 2005 I came to Odessa to meet her. We got on well. We have since parted but I finally found a place where I wanted to live.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 16:33 19-Sep-2010
I bumped into a group of foreign students and their teachers on their trip to London in 1996. It was lunch time, a gloriously sunny day and I was having my usual walk along the side of the River Thames. The students were taking snaps of the Houses of Parliament. I told one of the teachers that the children could obtain better snaps if they stood outside St Thomas' Hospital further up the embankment.

I walked with them, thinking they were Greek and a little surprised at how well this teacher spoke English. Eventually, she explained they were Ukrainians. Like most people at that time, I immediately thought ........ RUSSIA. We exchanged addresses and began corresponding, snail mail for a couple of years as pen friends.

In 1998, she invited me over to see Odessa and to visit her school. Great trip, loved it all. Best holiday of my life. Upon returning to UK, I realised I had been touched by a very special lady. I was smitten by both her AND Odessa. By this time, as the school had been given computers, we were able to continue corresponding by email. A virtual proposal to become my wife was accepted.

I used ALL of my next year's holiday to visit again, during which time we obtained a fiance visa. I whipped her off to Blighty and we married 2 months later.

My family adore her. My children love her to bits. All our family friends said she is the right lady (General aka The Boss) for me.

Well, folks, it will be 11 years this coming November.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: stephane on 01:06 24-Sep-2010
Ok, I need to break the "100% of the posters came to Ukraine because of a woman" that we have now 8)
I actually stayed in Ukraine mostly because of a guy (and no, I'm definitely not gay).

I first came for a one week holiday, met a guy in a pub one night and we became fast friends, started to tour the clubs together, and I liked Ukraine and the Ukrainian's warm welcome so much that I decided to extend my stay for an unknown duration (that was 5 years ago).

I eventually invited an ex-grilfriend (american) to come here, and she ended up dating my Ukrainian friend.
And I now live with a Russian girl that I met in China, and who came in Ukraine for the first time with me.
So yes, some of us actually think there are not enough girls in Ukraine and we need to "import" more...  ::)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Bocodillo on 08:49 24-Sep-2010
Before I moved here, I worked in several different countries. A year here, two years there.
I came here a few years ago for work and just haven't got off my a**e to leave yet...sure I'll get round to it one of these days.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: JTF on 14:05 24-Sep-2010
I came here 8 years ago as a student (will be 8 yrs on NOV7) Lived in Odessa for a year,studied russian, then said bye to my school mates(2 of  them)as they continued studying to become Mariners.. i left for Kiev to become an Engineer. Finished my masters in comp.sys.&networks and came back, to continue the startup with my friends, with an IM-1 to continue what i'm good in..Selling Technologies :) and won't be leaving until i have my share of money that can be made here :)

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 14:45 24-Sep-2010

And I now live with a Russian girl that I met in China, and who came in Ukraine for the first time with me.


Oooooops!  :o :o :o  I take it, Stephane, either English is not your mother tongue or you have other typically desirable French attributes (which we won't go into on the forum)!   :o :o

If the former, you should be saying "came TO".

Sorry, as a Moderator, I have to read literally everything since Mod2 is currently on vacation!  :)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Gramonion on 22:37 25-Sep-2010
Ok, I have to hold my hands up and say I came to Ukraine because of a women too!

Having recently celebrated our 2nd wedding anniversary I am now in the process of applying for PR.

I met my beloved wife while browsing people who were on-line in Skype. That was back in 2007.
I got chatting to a lovely woman called Tanya, whom I found I had a lot of common interests with.
We began chatting almost every night, and progressed from usual chat to sending pictures and then using webcam.
Eventually I visited Odessa to meet Tanya in real life. We spent a wonderful week meeting up and touring the city.
That week confirmed what I already knew, which was that Tanya was the woman for me!! After a few more visits I sold my house in England and came to live with Tanya in Odessa.

So now I am just waiting for my PR, which I will tell you about in another thread once I have enough info!
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: International on 23:44 02-Oct-2010
I left home when I was 13 - Spent a year in England, 2 in Russia, 1 in Israel and another 19 or so countries in between.

I came to Ukraine last year, But left after a few weeks - came again this year (was hired by an American Firm to do a quick job here) & decided to stay for the year.

My goal is to learn Ukrainian - once I speak it fluently i plan to move on to Mongolia or India.

I'm Male, 24, US Citizen & I now live in Uman.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: hellcheese on 17:45 07-Oct-2010
I've been here just over two years. Originally from New Zealand.

I came here for a short-term work project. I met a ms. and decided to move here from Italy, with whom I've since parted company. But have decided to stay anyway. It's a nice place to be. Living in Kiev.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: liquidtexas on 03:53 04-Nov-2010
I first arrived in Kyiv in 2005. Lived here for 2 months. I returned 11 times.  In the interim, I traveled to Belarus and Russia. Kayaked the Mzymta River near Sochi and the Onot River in the Sayan Mountains.  Last year (2009), I was supposed to kayak Bilyi Cheremosh and Chornyi Cheremosh, but I broke 8 ribs and tore my rotator cuff.  My kayaking career is probably over, but I am going to do those rivers one day.
In May, 2010, I moved here. In June, I went back to Texas to get the dog and the cat. Why am I here now?  I feel comfortable here. I have been to 41 countries.  This city captures you.  As a photojournalist, I could be anywhere ...
I did not move here, because of a girl. I moved here, because I wanted to be here.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: KPIC on 08:44 23-Feb-2011
I met my wife, Viktoriya, in Greece spring of 2008. I visited Kyiv, and crimea the following summer and moved permanently in jan 2009.

Strange as it is, we can live a much fuller life than we could back in Indiana. I have business opportunities here, that I would never have back home.

I came here to start a new life, and it has gone well. I love the grittiness of Ukraine. I live a normal Ukrainian lifestyle- riding the marshrutkas, trams, trolleys, and metro everyday and through teaching I get to know a large number of interesting people, that I would have never met if I hadn't moved here. American culture is very superficial and people are much deeper thinkers here, in general. There is still a deficit in understanding of aesthetics but it's improving.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Travel Writer on 11:19 04-Apr-2011
I studied in Russia in 2005, met a Ukrainian girl there and she invited me to her house for New Year. We stopped off in Kyiv on the way, and there I fell in love with the girl, and the city soon after.

After I graduated I wanted to move back to the Russian-speaking world. I thought about working in Kazan, but Kyiv was the one city that suited both me and my then girlfriend.

Now, after 4 years together, we are married and happy-ish in London! 
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Tis_me on 11:35 04-Apr-2011
My ending up being here was somewhat a mistake... I booked a flight back from The Canary islands and on the drop box of the airline company i was booking with, i must have accidentally clicked 'Ukraine' instead of 'United Kingdom'.... easy mistake to make to be honest... I realised what i had done as soon as i had landed but decided to stay for a week or so anyway, Well, here i am still, three years later and planning to marry the love of my life later this summer...



*Obviously i made that first bit up... i mean you don't seriously think that it's possible do you?!*
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: EnglishMKyiv on 13:08 04-Apr-2011
I came here to work in a Ukrainian bank back in 2008.... how boring is that.

The first bank went bust and so I found another one brave enough to employ me.

I must admit I was more interested in the possibilities for Ukraine's economy after joining the WTO ... and I still am.



Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: P-N on 13:41 04-Apr-2011
I met she that must be obeyed in Moscow when I was in Russia on a job.

I naturally assumed she was Russian....well you do when she had a nice apartment in a nice part of the city and has a Russian passport.....everything tends to imply she was.

After a couple of years living together there, it became apparent even to an ignoramus like me, that it was slightly strange that all of her family lived in Odessa.  The fact that this was not only quite a long way away but also a different country did not escape me.

When I asked the obvious question, what do you fancy doing tonight hun? why are all your family living in Ukraine?  She produced a passport I had never seen before.....from Ukraine.  (We won't go into the how's and why's....suffice to say she still holds both.)

Anyone who has lived in Moscow for any length of time will recognise the completely different pace and way of life compared to Odessa.  

Having only been in Moscow for a few years myself, I was still enjoying the city and all it has to offer, however she by this time had been there 12 years and had developed a yearning to return to Odessa.  

The subject of returning permanently arose one day when the M-I-L was visiting on one of those short two month visits.  ::)  A decision to permanently move back to Odessa was taken within 5 minutes despite the fact I had never been there in my life and the obvious disadvantages of the M-I-L being a permanent rather than occasional feature.  ;D

Thus I am here because the good lady wanted to return to her home city and no other reason.  

I wish there was a more interesting or noble reason for choosing to live in Odessa other than she that must be obeyed wanted to.....but there isn't!
 
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Tis_me on 14:56 04-Apr-2011
Whilst this thread is revived i will give a sensible reasoned post!

I stayed in contact with an old ex's father from some years ago. For the purpose of the story i shall refer to him here on in as 'M'...
He had, (through a completely different set of circumstances and far too long a story to explain!), spent a few years living here, in a town near Dnepropetrovsk. He was back in the UK, but had a daughter out here and so visited whenever he could.
I had long wanted to travel to Ukraine. A good friend of mine had been one of the lucky few who had done the online marriage agency thing and successfully come out of it with a wife - Belarusian to be precise, simply a lovely woman who saved him from his impending mid-life crisis! My belief was that i could find what i was looking for far easier from an Eastern block country and so the desire was born.

I was single at the time three years ago and had the chance to travel from England with 'M', to the town and meet his circle of friends. An easy decision and a month later here i was. I loved the place instantly and having a ready made group of guys that i could talk to and were there to help me get by, i found myself making new friends easily. Most of the guys 'M' knew were more my age or younger and so suited my clubbing desires etc!
I stayed for a couple of weeks, having shashlik in the forest, going swimming in the river and getting hammered on a daily/nightly basis. Everyone was very warm and friendly towards me and i found myself not wanting to leave.
I came back a month later and spent a little longer this time before returning to UK for the winter.
Early the next year i found myself with no commitments to keep me in the UK any longer and so made arrangements again to visit in the early Spring. I kept an open mind as to how long i would stay, but once here, i never looked back.
Fate brought me and my fiancee together a little later in the year and all i can say is after years of looking for the right one in blighty, with many heartache stories to be told, i can honestly say it was worth all the strife!
I wish i had come to Ukraine many years earlier to be honest! I don't miss England at all... well maybe the roads and pavements... errrrrrrr and the streetlights.... oh and the drainage...... ummmmm and the electricity staying on literally all the time..... and the same with the water.................... ;)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: sasha0 on 14:15 17-Apr-2011
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Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: mizugami7523 on 08:23 06-May-2011
Because of woman.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Euros on 09:36 02-Jun-2011
I came because I needed to win a 20 bet to visit every country in Europe.

I arrived in Kiev in 2005 from Minsk and left via Lviv. I liked the place, but it didn't win me over at the time - I didn't understand the place and it was far less mysterious than Belarus.

However, after conquering the whole continent (in an entirely peaceful way) and after collecting my 20 GBP winnings, I spent a year in Slovenia (possibly my favourite country in Europe) and a year studying European politics in Hungary.  For reasons which I still can't fully explain, I decided to focus my research on EU Visa policy in Ukraine and decided it was fairer to study this in Ukraine rather than Oxford.

So, I came here, studied much less than I should have and I learnt to love the place.

Personally, I'm not overly impressed by the girls here, sorry guys. I mean I love them but no more or less than the girls I know elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Siggi on 13:42 18-Jul-2011
I came to Ukraine because of the low taxes ... and because my wife is Ukrainian and she did not like Germany. After living 3 years together in Germany we went to Ukraine in 2004.

I don't know whether we will stay in Ukraine forever. We don't like the winter and for that period of time we are searching for a warmer place. Crimea is too cold in winter and without tourists Schelkino (the place where we spend the summer) looks almost deserted.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: misterb on 15:16 18-Jul-2011
I came to Ukraine because of the low taxes ... and because my wife is Ukrainian and she did not like Germany. After living 3 years together in Germany we went to Ukraine in 2004.

I don't know whether we will stay in Ukraine forever. We don't like the winter and for that time we are searching for a warm place. Crimea is too cold in winter and without tourists Schelkino (the place where we spend the summer) looks almost deserted.



Coming from one of the coldest countries on Earth in Winter, I would have to say Crimea is not cold at all. Spoiled spoiled spoiled I say! Egypt and Tunisia (among others) are a stones throw away, and have reasonable real estate markets. Winter home? Voila.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Travel Writer on 15:30 18-Jul-2011
It's interesting that among the most attractive and hot countries are places that pose no visa problems for Ukrainians. But if you want 4 distinct and good seasons, Ukraine is as good a place as any to live: maybe Kyiv in the spring and autumn, Crimea in summer and the Carpathians in winter...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: timinua on 16:39 18-Jul-2011
I'm on the lam, and I am comfortable knowing that all documents relating to my whereabouts are in a forgotten stack of papers in a stuffy office that smells of cabbage and drains...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Siggi on 18:07 18-Jul-2011
Coming from one of the coldest countries on Earth in Winter, I would have to say Crimea is not cold at all. Spoiled spoiled spoiled I say!
I agree, that I am spoiled. Even in October with 17? it can be very unpleasant to take a walk at the beach due to the wet wind. In winter, if the sea is frozen nobody will sit at the beach. This is too cold (in my personal definition). We also don't like hot weather. We would like to have a mild winter where you can sit in winter outside for a dinner.

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Egypt and Tunisia (among others) are a stones throw away, and have reasonable real estate markets. Winter home? Voila.
We have been already looking for real estate in Turkey in 2010. A lot of marble, very reasonable priced. But even in May 99% of the "Villas" were empty in Alanya. Not so nice, to live somewhere without any social contacts. We are currently thinking about Florida. Prices are low after the crises. Of course, it is far away. That is a significant disadvantage. Almost no possibility to get a permanent residence, we could only stay there 6 month as a tourist. But there is a good infrastructure, we know the language good enough to communicate, the culture is more similar than that of in an Islamic country. This winter we will stay in Florida. Then we will see.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: clanholmes on 20:13 18-Jul-2011
Coming from one of the coldest countries on Earth in Winter, I would have to say Crimea is not cold at all. Spoiled spoiled spoiled I say!
I agree, that I am spoiled. Even in October with 17? it can be very unpleasant to take a walk at the beach due to the wet wind. In winter, if the sea is frozen nobody will sit at the beach. This is too cold (in my personal definition). We also don't like hot weather. We would like to have a mild winter where you can sit in winter outside for a dinner.

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Egypt and Tunisia (among others) are a stones throw away, and have reasonable real estate markets. Winter home? Voila.
We have been already looking for real estate in Turkey in 2010. A lot of marble, very reasonable priced. But even in May 99% of the "Villas" were empty in Alanya. Not so nice, to live somewhere without any social contacts. We are currently thinking about Florida. Prices are low after the crises. Of course, it is far away. That is a significant disadvantage. Almost no possibility to get a permanent residence, we could only stay there 6 month as a tourist. But there is a good infrastructure, we know the language good enough to communicate, the culture is more similar than that of in an Islamic country. This winter we will stay in Florida. Then we will see.

Costa Rica or Belize.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: KPIC on 21:58 18-Jul-2011
I'm on the lam, and I am comfortable knowing that all documents relating to my whereabouts are in a forgotten stack of papers in a stuffy office that smells of cabbage and drains...

Finally, some truth from the joker in Kherson  ;D
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: ECOCKS on 22:23 18-Jul-2011
Thought I would take a few years to travel around and see some more of the world.

First, I went to Prague for a course on English teaching methodology then came to Kyiv for a job interview. Contracted a bit with a couple of different operations, then settled in and did my own thing. In the meantime, met a wonderful woman and fell in love. Family illness brought me back home.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: clanholmes on 22:26 18-Jul-2011
I'm on the lam, and I am comfortable knowing that all documents relating to my whereabouts are in a forgotten stack of papers in a stuffy office that smells of cabbage and drains...

Finally, some truth from the joker in Kherson  ;D

iF you said idiot, then you know you are talking about KH.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: sasha0 on 10:22 04-Oct-2011
Came for first visit in December 2009, heard the girls were hot and the prices low.

Had a nice holiday, being a freelancer I thought it would make sense to live here.

So here I am :)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 06:35 11-Oct-2011
Soon I will return to Odessa for a short time.
In another post that I can't find it at the moment someone wrote that a person with my economic advantages must be stupid to come here. I have just finished a 4 month stint in an Australian mine where my take home (after tax pay) +US$2500 each week (at today's rate of .997 against the US$). I am not stupid. My reasons for returning here are not romantic and not because of a woman. It would take too long to explain; suffice to say the reasons add up to the only home that I know.

I will have to return to Australia however my goal remains the same; to one day get PR. I will jump through whatever hoops are necessary in order to do this. Going off topic, in Ukraine I am a guest. I do not have an opinion on the politics of Ukraine. As far as visa / PR rules, why do some complain that 'how can these inconsiderate Ukrainians put all these obstacles in my way...'? Those with such an attitude or who are also guests and compare the woes of Ukraine with the advantages of the rest should stay in the rest. Also as far as the visa / PR laws, Ukraine has the sovereign right to act for its own benefit as it sees fit and it is up to me to prove that I am a net gain for Ukraine.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: jackcooper on 11:06 25-Nov-2011
Everyone of my students asks me this....

Well, the short story is that I grew up in a tiny FL town with nothing to do, finished high school, worked odd jobs, decided I wanted to go be a spook like in the movies, joined the Navy, studied Russian, got stationed in Fort Meade, decided that wasn't for me, went AWOL, drove across the US a few times, got caught, got discharged, chatted up some Russians and Ukrainians on the net, got acquainted with a lady that said Kiev was the bee's knees, scraped up some cash, bought a ticket, and she met me at the airport and showed my ignorant, happy-go-lucky, naive ass how to live in Kiev in the dead of winter.

The kicker? This year I went back to USA and thought I'd never return. Managed to stay about 5 months, hopped a plane out of FL, and took off for Kiev again from Borispol on my bicycle...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Ted on 16:18 25-Nov-2011
Good DLI training!  :D
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Claus on 15:17 30-Dec-2011
First time I came to Kyiv (then Kiev) was in 1988, I was paid to do so. My job was to assist in establishing a private bank. We failed (the bank and I). But, it was great fun. Girls? Yes there was Irena, the accountant with the pale-green eyes, but we never even kissed.
Really, I was just happy to get out of there!
Next stop was Minsk, and that was worse.
So, I retired into my coastal, Danish apartment permanently with a whiff of sea-scent and always the background sound of sea kissing shore; contemplating the ways of different mafias, enjoying the bliss of fresh Danish bread and pastry.
Then - around two years later - they paid me to privatize an airline and an airport in Ukraine. Interesting (and demanding) jobs.
In Borispol, I was met by a woman flashing me a kind and concerned smile.
'Hi, I'm Tania,' she said. 'I shall try to be your interpreter.'

The long story, imagine that as it pleases you.
But, after a little time in Denmark we've been living together since 1996, the first 10 years in Prague and then here. And in October we had our 12 years anniversary...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 17:22 30-Dec-2011

And in October we had our 12 years anniversary...


Shucks - your wedding beats ours by a month! We too had our 12th but in November!  8) :)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: zodoz on 14:47 12-Feb-2012
Typical story:

Meet girls online via Ukraine Marriage Agencies (Later discovered this is bad, I was uninformed)

Came to Kiev to meet them (Also bad, especially when one finds out about other(s))

Had great experience, met a UK mate and came back to run  KievLet.com with him (briefly)

Have a dating experience during that visit that doesn't work out...

Returned again, this time meet a wonderful, Christian, Professional Journalist and find happiness in Ukraine.

Return again to be married soon...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: sasha0 on 16:37 03-Sep-2012
Well almost 18 months after my previous post i'm still here. I hate everything about the Ukraine apart from the girls and the cost of living. In fact, prices are on the rise here so I suppose i'm here only for one thing ;)

I wont spend another whole winter here again, -30 wasn't pleasant in February, but i'm prepared to endure some of the cold season as I would miss Ukrainian girls too much

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Siggi on 19:43 03-Sep-2012
Last winter I was in the Bavarian Forest. "Only" -15?, the snow storms were not pleasant at all. I hate any strong winter, who cares if it is Ukraine or Germany.

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I hate everything about the Ukraine apart from the girls and the cost of living.
That's bad for you. I really enjoy the Crimean sea side from May till October. Since 2005 I come every summer. I even bought a small house with a little piece of ground. I would not know, what can be considered bad here. Is your statement about Ukraine in general or only about Kiev?
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: cc3 on 07:08 04-Sep-2012
My fiancee contacted me on the social website in which our profiles were posted. I never would have contacted her first because she is 28 years younger than I...way out of my age envelope of possible contacts. But, her initial contact was so sweet and sincere that I responded in kind. Eleven months of emails, chats, texts, and phone calls created extremely strong emotional, spiritual, and intellectual bonds between us. The eleven months were due to my knee injury and surgery which postponed an earlier meeting. As our meeting approached at the end of the eleven months, I did not care whether she really resembled her beautiful photos. I was already in love with her.

At our meeting, in May, at last, she was exactly as her photos portrayed her, and her personality was even better in person than I perceived it to be in our digital communications. I was mesmerized, enchanted and conquered physically, emotionally, and intellectually. We dove, wholeheartedly, into our devoted relationship and have never looked back. On my second trip to her, in July, I proposed; she accepted, and we now face all the paperwork obstacles that I have been reading about on the forum for months. I could care less...she is so worth it.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Haluk on 11:08 20-Oct-2012
I am an anti-militarist. I've been running from the military since 1992. In 2005, when things got really difficult for draft-evaders in Turkey, I started to look for a foreign country to live. Because I am a freelance translator, I can live pretty much anywhere as long as there is internet. I'm from Turkey, I wanted some country that is not hating Turks (so not Malta or Bulgaria), don't have difficult visa requirements (definitely not Europe and Greece), near-by (rule out Bahamas, Cayman, etc), fairly civilized, not Arab, not Muslim, and inexpensive...

It was a matter of choice between Moldova and Ukraine. I don't know why, but I picked Ukraine. And I'm glad I did. I'm loving here so far.
Title: Re: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: sasha0 on 13:39 20-Oct-2012
Had a Turkish friend here who was doing the same. We went out to club one night and he ended up marrying a girl he met. They got married a few days ago. He went back to do his military service for 6 months or something, he said it was terrible, cleaning toilets and.stuff.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Haluk on 14:39 20-Oct-2012
Yep... Cleaning toilets, peeling potatoes, washing dishes,,, it sounds like Turkish military all right :) but I'm not against cleaning toilet part. Every once a while one is forced to shoot people - that is the part I am against.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: albert on 19:37 20-Oct-2012
Depends on what they are doing to need getting shot.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Haluk on 19:21 21-Oct-2012
Unless they come to my home, pose treat to my family, or to my beer stock, I ain't shooting no one. As Chris Rock beautifully put: I don't give a f_ck if there's a Russian tank rollin' down Flatbush Avenue. I ain't shootin' nobody. I ain't shooting nobody, so call me a faggot. When the war's over, I'll be the faggot with two legs
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Post by: sasha0 on 22:16 27-Oct-2012
Don't blame you, it's never worth dying for your country.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: kharaku on 06:51 29-Oct-2012
I first came to Ukraine to renew my Visa to Russia (didn't have the cash so I ended up staying in Estonia trying to work up enough cash, but Estonia is expensive).

After having my notebook stolen upon returning to Ukraine, a nice girl from Church helped me get back on my feet and work enough to get a new notebook and thus better paying freelance work.

Seemed like a good idea to marry her, so I did.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 21:49 29-Oct-2012
Stick to topic, lads. Kindly discuss daily desires in Relationships.

Thanks
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 13:49 18-Nov-2012
Yes, this is slightly off topic, but I don't know where else to stick it, anyway it is about commitment to here. My friends, a Ukrainian couple, bought some land south of Odessa in Чеворный Хутор. They saw that there was a small (600 square meters) section there that I may be interested in. We met with the owner of the land and after weighing all my options up, all the pros and cons, reading again the information on this website, I have decided to buy this section. I will be going through the same process that my friends went through, they will help me with each step, except as a foreigner. In a couple of days, together we will meet with the jurist. My friend is an interpreter, we have known each other for many years and I trust her. After the loses of the financial crisis finally, I begin to put all of that behind me. If all goes according to plan, yes, I know that is tempting fate! (Especially here). When I return to hell (outback Australia), in order to earn the money to build a house on the section, at least there will be in the world one small piece of land that will be mine.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: P-N on 13:55 18-Nov-2012
It's nice out there Rusty.  As you know (and saw) I built a few houses out at Чеворный Хутор on Klinova Street.

As and when you need it I have the telephone number for a building materials supplier and delivery service on Williamsa which is not far away.

Quite a nice "middle class" set of people live in Чеворный and the 221 bus starts and ends it journey from there if you are going to need to rely on public transport.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 14:12 18-Nov-2012
I remember, and thank you for your offer P-N, I appreciate that. It is nice there. Yes, I went down there on the 221 to view the land and the area is well served by many businesses.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 18:14 25-Nov-2012
Further to the goal of actually living here: when we received copies of the original documents relating to the land that I wanted to buy we found out that the area is described as that it is 'for farms or gardens', so, because I may not buy such land, we stopped the process and continued searching. Finding another plot of land in the area that I may buy we initiated the process of the sale; I applied for my number and paid a deposit to the owner of the land.
However, now we find out from the bank that after the 27 November per month only USD 17000 may be withdrawn from the bank the balance being paid in Hryvnia. So I am faced now with the prospect of trying to change large amounts of Hryvnia into USD. Interesting times!
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 15:45 14-Dec-2012
To recap my somewhat off topic about why I am here; after Andrew bargained with the owners of the land and they agreed to a price we contacted the jurist to begin the process. I went to the translation office to get my tax number, have my passport translated into Ukrainian, and certification of my signature. This took one week. Actually, already I had a tax number however I did not have the original document and needed a certified original. 
With Karina, we spent hours at the bank completing the process by which I could receive the necessary amount in USD. Then we met with the owners of the land the jurist.  Passports and the original documents were sighted. There was no impediment to the sale on either side and I paid a deposit. So, the process continued. Today all parties met at the office of the notary. Over 2 and half hours, fees and taxes were paid, necessary documents were signed, I paid the money, we signed the final documents, and the land passed to my ownership.  Each party received certified copies of the signed documents. Now the original Land ownership title documents are off to the land registry Office for registration of me as the owner. From the owners agreeing to the price the completing today of the process of the sale was 22 days. Through this whole process my friends were with me. They are Ukrainian husband and wife, Karina is my old friend is a registered interpreter and translator. Without them this process would have been a monster. Now I am the owner of 705 square meters in Чеворный Хутор, less than 5 minutes walking from Рынок Черноморский, Маршала Жукова проспект. For me it is the first step. It is why I am here, because this place is my home.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 16:23 14-Dec-2012

Now I am the owner of 705 square meters in Чеворный Хутор, less than 5 minutes walking from Рынок Черноморский, Маршала Жукова проспект. For me it is the first step. It is why I
am here, because this place is my home.


Congratulations and well done, Rusty!

Now there is no excuse for not adding your location on the expatua map!!

http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=10849.0 (http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=10849.0)

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 07:51 17-Dec-2012
Well done! And good luck with your new home.

My plot is at a halt as I need a new cadastre plan with stamps and the acting mayor in Kyiv is not signing any as she failed to get elected as a deputy in the RADA. That could be the reason as given by the Head of Land Resources or it could be just sheer incompetence or an unofficial requirement for $6,000 US with no promises.

It has now been 3 months so my campaign to bring this to a successful conclusion starts in the New Year.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: RRUSSELL on 08:13 03-Apr-2013
Well for me after visiting several times in last 2 years I understood I would be able to retire from my job in America.I'm 51 ,took out my 401K and live on $1500 a month as a King here !! Back home in good ole USA I worked for 1300$ a week and struggled to live a fairly decent life....Yes I gave up many comforts of America but I now live a stress feel life and bang all the 20 year old's my heart desires )))~~  GO UKRAINE !
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: misterb on 23:08 03-Apr-2013
Well for me after visiting several times in last 2 years I understood I would be able to retire from my job in America.I'm 51 ,took out my 401K and live on $1500 a month as a King here !! Back home in good ole USA I worked for 1300$ a week and struggled to live a fairly decent life....Yes I gave up many comforts of America but I now live a stress feel life and bang all the 20 year old's my heart desires )))~~  GO UKRAINE !

Pumping and dumping every 20 year old you meet....sounds like you fit right in with all the other local winner's.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: kharaku on 07:59 23-May-2013
Well for me after visiting several times in last 2 years I understood I would be able to retire from my job in America.I'm 51 ,took out my 401K and live on $1500 a month as a King here !! Back home in good ole USA I worked for 1300$ a week and struggled to live a fairly decent life....Yes I gave up many comforts of America but I now live a stress feel life and bang all the 20 year old's my heart desires )))~~  GO UKRAINE !

Pumping and dumping every 20 year old you meet....sounds like you fit right in with all the other local winner's.

Well for each girl expecting something long term another girl is expecting that the minute a ring hits her finger she's an American citizen...  they really don't get the process.

For the girls banging some old guy because he seems to have a lot of money good riddance.

For the girls who are actually looking for a decent life long relationship with someone they care about, I hope they wise up over old guy sweating dollars and screw him over hitry ukraine style.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Kord on 09:12 22-Aug-2013
Find a nice girl who cares about you.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 08:43 30-Aug-2014
Hello folks, I am here because it is home. And now I digress; after the usual; working as a fifo miner (fly in, fly out) in the Pilbara of Western Australia, in this case it will be 7 months 3 weeks and 2 days, and consuming the news on ru.tsn.ua and also the opposition RIA Novosti and writing to my friends in Odessa, finally I will return home to Odessa (October 11). This time it is through Istanbul on Turkish Airlines (very good), where carry on means anything you can carry and seat assignments are merely advisory :-\ and not as usual through Moscow, Domodedovo departures (which has an Aussie pub), I assume because of the risk over Donbass. 
The poison dwarf the Kremlin-based midget (no disrespect to dwarfs in general), and his disparate army of mercenaries, criminals, self-seeking local 'strongmen' and regular army soldiers, who are ordinary Russian citizens lied to by the Kremlin-based midget, is exactly as he seems; an opportunist and no great strategist, his reactions are knee jerk as he and his generals clutch to the dream of a new Eurasian empire, relying on the lazy self-interest of the rest of western Europe and the apathy of Obama and, whether he and his hangers on can withstand economic isolation and a protracted partisan war, who knows. Cheers, Rusty
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 10:31 30-Aug-2014

finally I will return home to Odessa (October 11).



Will you be staying long on this reverse FIFO (or FOFI)?

Don't bother visiting the Don Quixote for a giant tapas for they have changed ownership, different menu and have a remodelled facade!
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: dazure on 11:32 30-Aug-2014
Hello Old Perdun,I will be staying 3 -4 months and building my house on my little piece of land in south Odessa. About Don Quixote and giant tapas; I don?t know this place. I shop at Виртус, Фрушет или Привоз.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 21:52 30-Aug-2014
Hello Old Perdun,I will be staying 3 -4 months and building my house on my little piece of land in south Odessa. About Don Quixote and giant tapas; I don?t know this place. I shop at Виртус, Фрушет или Привоз.


God, I must be getting really old. I knew I had discussed the virtues of Don Quixote with someone in 2007, the year I retired.

A quick search shows it was actually "marktristan". Apologies, Rusty.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Koua on 02:22 24-Feb-2015
I'm not sure if it's polite to 'bump' a thread that's a bit inactive, but it's a sticky so hopefully not breaking any rules  :)

Why Ukraine... I actually met my fiance online on a popular MMORPG (Not Warcraft) and after playing in the same group for a year or so, I admitted my feelings and we debated the possibility of attempting a long-distance relationship. It took us a while to agree but eventually we felt it was worth the risk. Simply, we just happened to meet and fall in love and he happens to live in Ukraine.

Even whilst we were friends we spoke a lot about politics and history, and my interest in those parts of Ukraine as well as the culture in general only grew as we were together. We decided it would be easier for me to move to Ukraine and we have been working towards that ever since. Before this I was only aware of the 'basics' of Ukrainian history, mostly around the Soviet era, but now I have grown to appreciate it so much as a country and I am looking forward to finally visiting and trying to make a home there for the foreseeable future. I think the long-term plan is to move back to the UK, but we'll take all of this one year at a time...
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: AkMike on 02:59 24-Feb-2015
Have you actually spent time with him? Face to face?  For how long?

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Koua on 03:43 24-Feb-2015
Have you actually spent time with him? Face to face?  For how long?

We've met a few times, yes  :)  The first few times as friends, but we have met twice since being in a relationship for three weeks at a time. The... fiance part is to explain our situation clearly, but it's to mostly have a chance at living together. Ah... our living situations make this extremely difficult but we decided we'd either do this 'properly' or we may as well not give it a chance at all. Unfortunately without a piece of paper binding us together, we're fixed to very brief amounts of time which would be unrealistic (for us) to continue a serious relationship with.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Ted on 06:58 24-Feb-2015
Have you actually spent time with him? Face to face?  For how long?

We've met a few times, yes  :)  The first few times as friends, but we have met twice since being in a relationship for three weeks at a time. The... fiance part is to explain our situation clearly, but it's to mostly have a chance at living together. Ah... our living situations make this extremely difficult but we decided we'd either do this 'properly' or we may as well not give it a chance at all. Unfortunately without a piece of paper binding us together, we're fixed to very brief amounts of time which would be unrealistic (for us) to continue a serious relationship with.

EVE? By any chance?
You do know that without getting married you will be held to the 90/180 day rule, right?

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Koua on 14:41 24-Feb-2015
EVE? By any chance?
You do know that without getting married you will be held to the 90/180 day rule, right?

No, not EVE!
Yes, we do know that hence why we're engaged - we'll be getting married on paper probably next week, then it's the mighty adventure to a TRP.  :)  The forums here have been very useful in advising us on it, although we'll be going to the OVIR first just to see exactly what they need for the process. Too many stories of the document list changing from place to place to make me comfortable assuming.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: BubbaGump on 15:12 24-Feb-2015
...we'll be going to the OVIR first just to see exactly what they need for the process. Too many stories of the document list changing from place to place to make me comfortable assuming.

...very wise decision...you're a clever girl...sure you're not secretly Ukrainian...?  ;D
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Koua on 15:36 24-Feb-2015
...very wise decision...you're a clever girl...sure you're not secretly Ukrainian...?  ;D

If only, it'd make all of this so much easier!  :D
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Ted on 15:37 24-Feb-2015
You will find the OIVR most helpful, but they will of course wonder at your sanity in wanting to come HERE. Just smile.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 18:16 24-Feb-2015
You will find the OIVR most helpful, but they will of course wonder at your sanity in wanting to come HERE. Just smile.


Tell the OVIR you fell in love first with salo, then with dill as a condiment, then the virtues of smetana, then in love with your fiance and they will fall over backwards to help!  ::)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: BubbaGump on 19:11 24-Feb-2015
...that and a box of chocolates should do the trick...  8)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Koua on 19:33 24-Feb-2015
Tell the OVIR you fell in love first with salo, then with dill as a condiment, then the virtues of smetana, then in love with your fiance and they will fall over backwards to help!  ::)

I'll keep this in mind...

...that and a box of chocolates should do the trick...  8)

... and this  ;D  Luckily my fiance and his family are both well-versed with how their bureaucracy works. I'd be completely lost if doing this on my own.
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Carlusha on 22:36 24-Feb-2015
...that and a box of chocolates should do the trick...  8)

Oh, sorry! Silly me! How could I forget the chocolates? Roshen region of Odessa actually demands chocolate be presented.

The President's chocolates always go down well :

http://www.roshen.com/en/products/ (http://www.roshen.com/en/products/)
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: ScottElliott on 07:54 16-Apr-2015
I'll chime in.

My wife was in one of my previous student groups when I was still teaching business English groups for various IT companies.  We got acquainted, we met, I moved to Ukraine from Russia.  Things progressed.  Got married.  Got TRP.  /Story
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Chaneyjd on 19:21 25-Mar-2016
I worked on ми-17 helicopters for a few years.  My company finally sent me to school in Kremenchug.  I met a beautiful, smart, and caring woman.  We spent 5 weeks together during my school.  I've been back on every vacation after.  I work 90 days and get 30 days vacation.  We enjoyed Lviv and Odessa on my first vacation after school.  I took her to Turkey, and Spain on my second.  Finally in December I brought my son from America to visit for Christmas.  He enjoyed the snow which we don't get much of in Texas and got along great with my girlfriend.  I finally asked her to get married in January.  When I get back in March we must go to ZAGS to set a date and file paperwork, hopefully we will be married in August or September.  Then off to get my TRP. 

It is like stepping back a few years when you come to Ukraine.  The food is cooked at the restaurants not microwaved.  You can buy produce from farmers on the side of the road.  The vodka is cheap.  Salo, Okroska, Borsht, and Smetana, not to forget Uzvar, and Compote.  And Police still take money instead of giving tickets. 
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 18:45 26-Mar-2016
Just a heads up but for a long time I've wanted us to link in to a bona fide dating site as many of our inbound visitors are here to look for lurve.

Well, I met one today and they seem genuine- have worked for 10 years and after I've visited their office next week will make a decision.

I'll never encourage sexpats but a link to a proper site would do no harm - in fact it would be better than people just wandering in an signing up with some scammers.

Ill post this as a new topic also.

Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: traveller72 on 21:18 07-Sep-2016
sounds Awesome
Title: Re: Why Ukraine? How did we first come to be here?
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 13:51 08-Sep-2016
.. except they have too many women and not enough guys.

Seriously.