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Expatriate Life => Planes, trains and automobiles => Topic started by: Reggie on 21:50 28-Jul-2017

Title: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Reggie on 21:50 28-Jul-2017
1.  I found an official site describing what documents are needed to register a vehicle.
http://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/3634

- Some of the information is in the typical incomprehensible English we have all seen before.

- Thought I'd better add that here before the information gets taken out with the tide.

- Screenshot of used car registration below. 


2. Also found this: Legal Aspects of Driving in Ukraine.  PDF  http://www.go2kiev.com/site/file_uploads/car.pdf

3.  Ukraine license plate codes:  What the letters mean.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Ukraine
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 10:38 29-Jul-2017
Thanks, at least some info ;)

BTW, what are the costs involved in the import and registration of a foreign car into Ukraine ?
And, where and how to do it? What is the correct and "easiest" sequence of events ?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: dimitrispetropoulos on 06:50 30-Jul-2017
Thank you Reggie. The link of the Foreign Ministry is quite good, and the English is not so bad (in comparison with some other sources).

In the same subject matter, being a diplomat do you think I might have trouble at the border driving into Ukraine from Poland with a used car I have bought in Germany? The car will have German short term (15 days) export plates.

In Kiev I will have the car registered and get Ukrainian diplomatic plates.

Thanks for any feedback.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 07:01 30-Jul-2017
In the same subject matter, being a diplomat do you think I might have trouble at the border driving into Ukraine from Poland with a used car I have bought in Germany? The car will have German short term (15 days) export plates.
In Kiev I will have the car registered and get Ukrainian diplomatic plates.
Thanks for any feedback.

Doesn't the initial import registration start at the border office ?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: st8grad93 on 04:35 23-Sep-2017
Reggie, do you know if this information pertains to just Permanent Residents / diplomats ?

I am neither, but I would like to buy a car for my fiancee and put it on my name. As a non-PR, can I register it on my name with just my US passport?

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 06:17 23-Sep-2017
I don't think so. You'll need a tax ID number, propiska, ect.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 11:10 26-Sep-2017
being a diplomat do you think I might have trouble at the border driving into Ukraine from Poland with a used car I have bought in Germany? The car will have German short term (15 days) export plates.

In Kiev I will have the car registered and get Ukrainian diplomatic plates.


These issues are regulated in Section XIII articles 382 and on of the Customs Code of Ukraine.  (http://zakon2.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/4495-17/page15)

In general being a diplomat you will be able to pass the border free declaring your car into a "temporary import" mode and then registering it with your local authorities. The term of temporary import can not exceed your accreditation term. The number of cars (per person, per family. per adult family member) depends on your diplomatic status.
I did not find the limitation as to the previous ownership of the car, or country of initial or former registration (does not mean there is not any, but I did not find it yet).

So, in my opinion, you CAN bring in the car on german export plates. 

 
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 11:29 26-Sep-2017

I am neither, but I would like to buy a car for my fiancee and put it on my name. As a non-PR, can I register it on my name with just my US passport?

Please, read the thread http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=16505.0. You can probably find some answers.

If you r on a TRP there is a good way to drive a good car paying no tax here. Why wasting a chance.
Answering your question, there are no legal obstacle for you to register any car, already cleared in Ukraine, at your name. Most probably you will have to present a proof of your address, either official registration or, if not applicable to your status, probably the apartment rent contract will do.  But, you know, our authorities sometimes have their 'internal' instructions, which are pretty obscure, and in fact they will tell you something else, even though what they tell you is not true and contradicts the Law. No right is granted in Ukraine. In most cases you have to fight for it.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: frank1010 on 17:02 26-Sep-2017
but better have a very good insurance because cars (particularly valuable ones) tend to get abducted.... happened to me...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 12:46 03-Oct-2017

3.  Ukraine license plate codes:  What the letters mean.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Ukraine

There are also special ones for Kiev:

B - Берковці
BG - Борщагівка
BIH - Виноградар
BY - Биківня
CD - Кар.Дачі
CZ - Конча заспа
D - Деміївка
F - Феофанія
GE -Голосієво
H - Харківський
I - Іподром
L - Лісовий
LT - Лівобережна-Троєщина
LV - Лук'янівка
MD - Майдан
P - Печерськ
PL - Поділ
RO - район Оболонь
RUS - Русанівка
SK - Шулявка
SLO - Саперна Слобідка
S - Сирець
TR - Теремки
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Fillou on 16:24 03-Oct-2017
but better have a very good insurance because cars (particularly valuable ones) tend to get abducted.... happened to me...

What kind of car was stolen from you ? I am coming with a new Vitara soon.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: frank1010 on 19:36 03-Oct-2017
Mercedes...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Jay on 02:02 04-Oct-2017
Mercedes...

Where was your insurance  based? In UKR or western EU?
Was there any problem with payout?
Was car registered in UKR or west.

Thx in advance.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: frank1010 on 20:10 04-Oct-2017
car was registered in my home country (western EU) and insured there. No problem with insurance as same covers the whole of geographic europe...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 09:50 28-Jul-2018
Further to the procedure of importing the car as part of the house-hold.
I do read about a "customs declaration".
>Is that a document to be obtained at the border while bringing the car inside as start of the import procedure?
> Does the customs office at the border issue that declaration 'as such' or is there involvement of a third party (broker) involved?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 11:02 28-Jul-2018
It "should be" the same as going thru the Red Line at the airport. They'll give you a form to fill out declaring the value. Receipts ect showing the cost of everything.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 11:11 07-Aug-2018
Still struggle with this, sorry.
Recently I heard that one first has to de-register the car in EU (or country of origin) before one can start the import procedure. Hence, export is preceding import.
Anyone ?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: steveo on 14:28 11-Aug-2018
Changes on the way:
Haven't got links, just what I heard on the news...coming into force next month.
1) New fines for those driving on Euro plates, 170,000 uah.
Not sure how they'll enforce that, especially with all the company schemes that these car importers use...finding the legal loopholes to get around the law so that people can drive for at least a few years.
2) New reduction in the registration fee for imports, to 1,200 euros, down from 5,000 euros.
Again, not sure if this will be applied across the board, or exact details.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Ted on 21:04 11-Aug-2018
Changes on the way:

1) New fines for those driving on Euro plates, 170,000 uah.
Not sure how they'll enforce that, especially with all the company schemes that these car importers use...finding the legal loopholes to get around the law so that people

So in my town some dipwads have Euro plates, like LT, PL etc., and they are Ukrainians of course, and sporting a taxi light. Kinda pisses me off that they get the car in here on some scheme and then are too lame to get a real job so they run a taxi service, using Navigator because they don't know their way around town....which makes me think they are some recent transplants from the Donbass. Run a foreign plate, run a business taxi...get a fvcking fine as far as I'm concerned.

and get of my lawn god damnit
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 09:03 12-Aug-2018
So in my town some dipwads have Euro plates, like LT, PL etc., and they are Ukrainians of course, and sporting a taxi light. Kinda pisses me off that they get the car in here on some scheme and then are too lame to get a real job so they run a taxi service, using Navigator because they don't know their way around town....which makes me think they are some recent transplants from the Donbass. Run a foreign plate, run a business taxi...get a fvcking fine as far as I'm concerned.

and get of my lawn god damnit

Welcome to Ukraina ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Ted on 13:47 12-Aug-2018
So in my town some dipwads have Euro plates, like LT, PL etc., and they are Ukrainians of course, and sporting a taxi light. Kinda pisses me off that they get the car in here on some scheme and then are too lame to get a real job so they run a taxi service, using Navigator because they don't know their way around town....which makes me think they are some recent transplants from the Donbass. Run a foreign plate, run a business taxi...get a fvcking fine as far as I'm concerned.

and get of my lawn god damnit

Welcome to Ukraina ;)




I'm 9 years past the lame "Welcome to Ukraine" bulls hit.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 07:34 13-Aug-2018
I just returned from a short trip to Odesa and alot of cars there including taxi's were from other countries. Not so many here though.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 10:53 13-Aug-2018
Changes on the way:
Haven't got links, just what I heard on the news...coming into force next month.
1) New fines for those driving on Euro plates, 170,000 uah.
Not sure how they'll enforce that, especially with all the company schemes that these car importers use...finding the legal loopholes to get around the law so that people can drive for at least a few years.
2) New reduction in the registration fee for imports, to 1,200 euros, down from 5,000 euros.
Again, not sure if this will be applied across the board, or exact details.

What news did you hear this on ?
because fact in nr. 2 is wrong, the registration fee can on expensive cars be much more then 5.000 euro.
Ex. old BMW X5 from 2007 it would cost around 10-12.000 USD to get it on ukranian numberplates

The Fines are already pretty heavy if you doing this on an expensive car.
And its pretty easy to fine people, because its the people and not the car you delivering the fine to.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: steveo on 05:42 14-Aug-2018

What news did you hear this on ?
because fact in nr. 2 is wrong, the registration fee can on expensive cars be much more then 5.000 euro.
Ex. old BMW X5 from 2007 it would cost around 10-12.000 USD to get it on ukranian numberplates

The Fines are already pretty heavy if you doing this on an expensive car.
And its pretty easy to fine people, because its the people and not the car you delivering the fine to.



Can't remember what news it was, it was just playing in the background, but people were talking about it, the registration fee would have been for an example car. I would say something like a 1.6 Petrol 2008 car...which would have been about 5000 euro in fees.

http://tamozhennyjbroker.kh.ua/zakon-3251-i-rastamozhka-mashin-v-ukraine-v-2018-godu/

The above link has a lot of detail on the new law...it's in Russian, but it really sets everything out clearly.

As for the fines system, the people who are importing cars from the EU with foreign plates, have systems to bypass the registration process, and train the buyers of those cars the limits of authority of the cops so they won't be able to fine anyone anyway. There are a few different schemes in order to do it, but essentially lots of them involve setting the car up as a company car, and you are one of the directors of that foreign company. I know a guy who does it.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 07:42 14-Aug-2018

Can't remember what news it was, it was just playing in the background, but people were talking about it, the registration fee would have been for an example car. I would say something like a 1.6 Petrol 2008 car...which would have been about 5000 euro in fees.

http://tamozhennyjbroker.kh.ua/zakon-3251-i-rastamozhka-mashin-v-ukraine-v-2018-godu/

The above link has a lot of detail on the new law...it's in Russian, but it really sets everything out clearly.

As for the fines system, the people who are importing cars from the EU with foreign plates, have systems to bypass the registration process, and train the buyers of those cars the limits of authority of the cops so they won't be able to fine anyone anyway. There are a few different schemes in order to do it, but essentially lots of them involve setting the car up as a company car, and you are one of the directors of that foreign company. I know a guy who does it.
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Thx will read it.

But the law already give a way to fine people in ukraine.

If an ukranian Citizen or a person WHO is taxable in ukraine on PRP is driving a foreign plates and the tax/custom police stop you they would be able to fine you if the car have been to long (think its more than 10 days)

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Eddie on 16:26 14-Aug-2018
Here is my situation.  My wife and her mother are US citizens. 

Have been told by family that we can ship car over and leave US plates on it indefinitely as long as we depart Ukraine 1x/year without paying any Ukie import tax.  Any truth to this?

I am sure that getting Ukie plates is only a matter of speaking with the right 'official'.  Seems everything we have done over there after you wait a while the price for their 'service' goes down.  Sort of like everywhere else in the world.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 08:26 15-Aug-2018
Eddie, US plates would have the same outcome as ones from anyother country. Read this thread.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 11:56 15-Aug-2018
Here is my situation.  My wife and her mother are US citizens. 

Have been told by family that we can ship car over and leave US plates on it indefinitely as long as we depart Ukraine 1x/year without paying any Ukie import tax.  Any truth to this?

I am sure that getting Ukie plates is only a matter of speaking with the right 'official'.  Seems everything we have done over there after you wait a while the price for their 'service' goes down.  Sort of like everywhere else in the world.

You been told wrong.
Yes in old day nothing would happen if you did this.

But now Things are changing and the system have a good record of all cars here.
If your living here and are taxable here, that will say here + 180 days a year or on a PRP then you will have to add ukranian plates to the car

The law these days are changing fast, and registration for this is becomming cheaper now, but still expensive.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Ted on 16:38 15-Aug-2018
Here is my situation.  My wife and her mother are US citizens. 

Have been told by family that we can ship car over and leave US plates on it indefinitely as long as we depart Ukraine 1x/year without paying any Ukie import tax.  Any truth to this?

I am sure that getting Ukie plates is only a matter of speaking with the right 'official'.  Seems everything we have done over there after you wait a while the price for their 'service' goes down.  Sort of like everywhere else in the world.

Think carefully about WHAT you want to ship over. make sure that parts are available for whatever model and make you are sending.If you are sending a 1956 Bel Air for example you are poop out of luck. Car parts are not available like they are in the USA. Check carefully.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 19:09 20-Aug-2018
Found this recently ;)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2Frozmitnennya_vzhivanogo_avto_vse_shho_varto_vrahuvati_n1463578&edit-text&authuser=0 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fzaxid.net%2Frozmitnennya_vzhivanogo_avto_vse_shho_varto_vrahuvati_n1463578&edit-text&authuser=0)
Yes, sorry, Google translate.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 09:39 06-Sep-2018
Edited: Urgent, please.  Thanks, found it, here (http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=17676.msg126545#msg126545)  ::)      
Anyone who could provide me the legal customs articles referring to the free import of household including a car when immigrating into the country based on the receipt of the Permanent Residence Permission?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 20:33 06-Sep-2018
I think you'll find it here with a search. I do recall it has to be done within 6 months of the PR issuance.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 13:43 07-Sep-2018
Does this not only apply to diplomats ?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 16:22 07-Sep-2018
No, IIRC  ( I didn't do it ) but when you get your PR you're allowed to bring in your household goods and a car that you've owned for a year or more.  Do some searching here it's been discussed.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 19:18 07-Sep-2018
Which means the circle is closed @ http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=17676.msg126545#msg126545 (http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=17676.msg126545#msg126545) which is the opening of this posting 3 pages ago ...  :D
There you'll find some related links:
https://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/3634 (https://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/3634) &
http://www.go2kiev.com/site/file_uploads/car.pdf (http://www.go2kiev.com/site/file_uploads/car.pdf)

Furthermore the link to the official ruling concerned @
http://zakon2.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/4495-17/page15 (http://zakon2.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/4495-17/page15)

Have fun and peace ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 14:18 12-Sep-2018
Which means the circle is closed @ http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=17676.msg126545#msg126545 (http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=17676.msg126545#msg126545) which is the opening of this posting 3 pages ago ...  :D

Have fun and peace ;)

I would add one more thread on the matter, which I have already quoted many times

http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=16505.30

Reply #40, 41.

There you will find answers to many questions raised in this thread again.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 15:19 12-Sep-2018
@GVera  Thanks again.

What I could add for now in general is a few points that I meanwhile found out additionally. It concerns synchronization ;)
House hold, including the car could be imported within 6 months of the issue date of the Permanent Residency.
Still, a foreign registered car cannot be freely operated by an inhabitant (PRP) of the country. There are very specific rules for that different from the situation of a Temporarily Residency. Hence, the foreign registered car should be imported in fact within a short time after that issue date. It's rather days than weeks. Similarly, once the car is imported and registered in UKR, one cannot drive it (officially) with a foreign driving license any longer. There's yet another term set to obtain such local driving license.
Meanwhile, I think I am a number of month after the issuing, and nothing did change so far in my earlier situation, so I am curious to see what will happen when I'll bring the car out of the country again in preparation of the importation thereafter.
These are non-desired exciting times, though  :(
Any suggestions to enlighten me a bit are welcome ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 10:48 13-Sep-2018
Similarly, once the car is imported and registered in UKR, one cannot drive it (officially) with a foreign driving license any longer.

Could you disclose the sourse of this information? Any legal background for this statement?

As for me car import and the driver's license are "two big differences" as they say in Odessa. :)  Terms and conditions to change foreign DL for those who move to Ukraine on a PR we have also discussed many times.

http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=8981.15

reply #21 + #24

Nothing has changed since then as far as I know...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 16:25 13-Sep-2018
Similarly, once the car is imported and registered in UKR, one cannot drive it (officially) with a foreign driving license any longer. 
Could you disclose the sourse of this information? Any legal background for this statement?
As for me car import and the driver's license are "two big differences" as they say in Odessa. :)  Terms and conditions to change foreign DL for those who move to Ukraine on a PR we have also discussed many times.
http://forum.expatua.com/index.php?topic=8981.15  reply #21 + #24
Nothing has changed since then as far as I know...

Unfortunately I've no other source for now than the earlier "hear-say" as such. I will add a screenshot of the Internations Lviv Forum where one of the local lawyers dropped a note about the subject. Although it's more about the practical way of obtaining it. Practically one does have to go through the whole procedure of theory & practical exam and provide a medical statement.

For the sake of the record, indeed there is no direct link between an car import and a driving license. However, as mentioned earlier, there is an apparent and important change in the status of the foreigner from the moment he receives his Permanent Permit. There is the link, since thereafter he is an inhabitant of the country and subsequently many actual rules and laws become applicable to that inhabitant (the former foreigner). Like they are valid for Ukrainians themselves.

If I would meet more relevant information I'll gladly share it here again ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 11:42 14-Sep-2018
Yes, Ms Yulia did a great job, but she did not tell anything new except that now you can pass theory exam in English. This is true! I just called main service center of MVS and they confirmed. Your foreign DL allows you to drive in Ukraine for 60 days from the date of your PRP issue AND you can change your foreign DL even after these 60 days at a simplified procedure, provided your DL has not expired by the time you want to change it. My old assumption about this issue was correct.
The only new thing I have learned that they do not change US driver license as USA is not a part of Vienna convention... 

Practically one does have to go through the whole procedure of theory & practical exam and provide a medical statement.



But what you describe is a simplified procedure. :)  not the whole one. Within a whole procedure you will also need a licensed training course completion certificate...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 18:34 14-Sep-2018
Yes, Ms Yulia did a great job, but she did not tell anything new except that now you can pass theory exam in English. This is true! I just called main service center of MVS and they confirmed. Your foreign DL allows you to drive in Ukraine for 60 days from the date of your PRP issue AND you can change your foreign DL even after these 60 days at a simplified procedure, provided your DL has not expired by the time you want to change it. My old assumption about this issue was correct.
The only new thing I have learned that they do not change US driver license as USA is not a part of Vienna convention... 
Practically one does have to go through the whole procedure of theory & practical exam and provide a medical statement
But what you describe is a simplified procedure. :)  not the whole one. Within a whole procedure you will also need a licensed training course completion certificate...

Thanks for the addition. That sounds as good news to me with an EU license ;) I'll have that timely checked since my expiry is 'critical'.
Interesting exchange of information here. Appreciated :)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 19:32 17-Sep-2018
I just called main service center of MVS and they confirmed.

Sorry, have been distracted with some other issues ... but what does MVS stands for ? ;)
Tks in adv.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 07:31 18-Sep-2018
MINISTRY OF INTERIOR OF UKRAINE
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 21:18 18-Sep-2018
This isin't fact yet so don't hold your breath.

Euro-number in Ukraine: an unexpected compromise was announced in the parliament

The problems of Ukrainian drivers on the numbers with European registration should be resolved by a new compromise bill, which is registered in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

About him ObozTV was told by the People's Deputy of Ukraine Oksana Prodan (BPP). According to her, this bill provides for the replacement of "eurobiles" with Ukrainian numbers at an affordable price for drivers.


"According to him, all the people who use cars today in these temporary European numbers must appear in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, take responsibility for the safety of this car, pay about 500 euros - this is the amount that they all say that they can pay it - take the Ukrainian number and ride, "- explained Prodan.

The deputy assured that in this way those cars that are already on the territory of our country will be legalized and the Ukrainians will be sure that the roads are safe from now on, and everyone who leaves on the road - bears responsibility.

An alternative bill, already voted in the first reading even before the parliamentary holidays, can significantly complicate the life of the owners of euroblocks. According to its text, all car owners on European numbers will be required to take their cars out of Ukraine, find their owners, rent cars from registration, return to Ukraine and already here to pay the duty, excise and VAT.

"But I'm sure that it's unrealistic to do it.Hundreds of thousands of cars: if they break down to take them out of Ukraine, it's already a collapse at the customs, but they simply can not physically find those owners themselves, which is also unrealistic. it's just driving people into a corner and getting them to pay a lot of money, or pay fines, "- summed up Prodan.

http://u-news.com.ua/66337-evronomera-v-ukraine-v-rade-ozvuchili-neozhidannyj-kompromiss.html
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Ted on 09:24 19-Sep-2018

An alternative bill, already voted in the first reading even before the parliamentary holidays, can significantly complicate the life of the owners of euroblocks. According to its text, all car owners on European numbers will be required to take their cars out of Ukraine, find their owners, rent cars from registration, return to Ukraine and already here to pay the duty, excise and VAT.

"But I'm sure that it's unrealistic to do it.Hundreds of thousands of cars: if they break down to take them out of Ukraine, it's already a collapse at the customs, but they simply can not physically find those owners themselves, which is also unrealistic. it's just driving people into a corner and getting them to pay a lot of money, or pay fines, "- summed up Prodan.

http://u-news.com.ua/66337-evronomera-v-ukraine-v-rade-ozvuchili-neozhidannyj-kompromiss.html

I like this version better.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 15:28 19-Sep-2018
And yet another version of what may be to come.

Fines up to 170 thousand UAH: from next month drivers on the euro-meters will face serious problems. And it will not be possible to clear all of them

In Ukraine, in the autumn, may adopt new rules for customs clearance of cars on foreign numbers. On the one hand, they will reduce excise taxes, and on the other hand - will sharply increase the punishment for the illegal use of euro-meters. However, for low excise duties, cars can not be cleared.



About who in Ukraine can get rid of their cars on foreign numbers and who will be subject to new rules, writes Obozrevatel .

Owners of the euro-meters are waiting for the problem
In Ukraine, according to various estimates, there are up to two million cars on the euro-meters, most of them issued to Lithuanian and Polish firms. In this way, the smart motorists have gone through the need to pay for customs clearance. However, the situation in the autumn can change dramatically. Excises, and with them the total cost of "legalizing" the car, will decrease. But fines will increase at times - up to 170 thousand UAH.

The problem is that some Ukrainians, even if they wish, will not be able to smoke their own car on the Euro-meters. "The machine does not belong to them, they have the right to use it. And the car is registered abroad and is registered on the firm. People brought these cars, ostensibly, saved. But few of them understand that cars are not really theirs, "says lawyer Alexander Plakhotnik.

So, to register a car in Ukraine, to clear it, you must first obtain ownership. In addition, the car will have to be taken off the record abroad. "In my opinion, these firms just will not do this. Ask for another $ 500, and you will need to either agree, or just leave your car anywhere, "- Platoon suggests.

At the same time, the lawyer Olga Nikolayenko adds: if a vehicle was issued with a certified power of attorney on the euro-meter, the Ukrainian would be able to apply to the competent authorities of Lithuania (or another country) to remove the car from registration. But if the car was bought already in Ukraine, and the power of attorney was written "on the knees", it may simply not be accepted.
 
"The person who did not drive the car and who bought it at the station" Forest ", entered in the form of its data. Here is the question of legality. Not every person who has bought a car on the euro-meters can claim that her order is legal. It is possible that she will apply to the competent foreign authorities for the record-keeping, and will be denied on the grounds that the documents are invalid or illegally obtained, "explains the lawyer.

In this case, it will be impossible to clear the car
At the same time, if adopted in the first reading bills on euro-muniors will support in the existing version, the SRT will not be able to accept such cars for spare parts. There is a risk that some of the owners of the euro-meters will simply leave the cars on the streets. Finding a driver and bringing him to responsibility will be difficult.

"Someone will give up simply on a scrap, and someone will be taken away in a yard and will throw. And these machines are several million, some of them in a terrible state. Who will bear responsibility? "- says Alexander Plachotnik.

How to lawfully bring the car under the new rules
In Ukraine, by the end of this year, there is a reduced rate for car imports from abroad. If the bill on lowering excise rates will be adopted, their size for relatively new cars will decrease significantly. So, for legal clearance, you need to have a technical passport on the car, a contract of sale, insurance and a document on passing inspection. "If there is no insurance and surveillance, we will have to transport the car, and not to go on it," explains Plachotnik.

First of all, you need to take off the car from an account in Europe, get temporary signs, and only after moving to the Ukrainian customs border.

If you do not previously register a car at your place of residence, you will have to pay the insurance on the spot at the entrance. You must also be logged in to your local customs office within 10 days. If it turns out that at the time of customs clearance, the cost of the car is lowered (this can demonstrate the assessment), it will have to compensate for the difference.

At customs clearance, you will have to pay excise, duty (10%) and VAT (20%) . But the size of excise duties depends on the age of the car and the volume of the engine. Under the current rules, the highest excises are paid for cars older than seven years with a gasoline engine of over 2,200,000 cubic meters. See Each cube will have to pay 4.985 euros. Yes, the excise tax on such a car with an engine capacity of 3 thousand cubic meters. see the current rules is 14 955 euros, and the new ones - 1,200 euros. That is, in some cases, savings can be over 13 thousand euros.

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Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 08:35 14-Oct-2018
Feedback.
Last week I managed to get my car with some of my household passing the border.
In short, have all documents in order. Export docs like EU "Ex1" doc. I had this arranged by a specialised company in NL. Exit EU at prior indicated customs post through TIR lane. Make sure docs are there properly registered to prove the export.
Enter UA through TIR (trucks) lane. First (!) pass in person through passport and customs control indicating import of car. Thereafter report to the customs office to fulfil all the paperwork and obtain all the stamps. The help of a broker and an Ukrainian speaking person could be an advantage.
Fortunately we had a good broker there who took all the documents, worked on it and managed all in about 2 hours and finished his part perfectly. One "small" issue failing was the final confirmation by Kyiv which had to arrive through the national electronic customs system. Unfortunately that system happen to break down (nationwide) around that time and we had to wait for about 4 hours until it started to work again. Anyway, border crossing post at Karkovets has a nice little so-called 'dining room' with tasty "home made" food.
Next step will be the technical inspection to obtain the car passport, allowing to apply for an UA registration.
I'll keep you posted ;)

P.S. Edited:
Unfortunately, that step is yet to come. First the car has to be checked and pass the customs import office. Which is different from crossing the border. Car is there already for almost a week while I'm awaiting the approval of the documents for import. Unfortunately, again, they don't accept my papers since the ownership does not seem to be clear to them ... despite or maybe due to the translation provided on all the needed papers.
As it looks for now, this issue may even jeopardise my position as a rightful owner. Would I get my car back from the customs clearing area ?
Any suggestions or (moral) support is welcomed ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 05:30 28-Nov-2018
Would you share contact details of your broker? I have Czech car in Lviv and would love to register it in Ukraine. I'm the owner.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 07:17 28-Nov-2018
Would you share contact details of your broker? I have Czech car in Lviv and would love to register it in Ukraine. I'm the owner.
Thanks!
Laimon, I would love to help you, which I will do as far as I can....
First, my car is still, despite all, blocked at the customs in Horodok. They refuse to give a clearance since they argue about the proven ownership. Despite all documents and reasonable prove I have presented, they are refusing. It's a long story but it clearly has to do with the fact that I brought the car privately and together with my household. Hence, duty free.
Therefore, make more than 100% sure who the owner is that is importing the car.
I cannot recommend that the person that advises us, although he is supposed to be our broker. He does help us but he declines that he works for us and is our broker. Maybe he does not want to stick out his neck in this case, until it is solved.
To your question: Earlier we had other "recommendations" too. You may contact them, in Ukrainian obviously.
That is Olga 0673526044 or Igor 0971634036. They both seemed to be stationed at Horodok. Not at the border, since that is some else. You could ask the Horodok broker for recommendation on the border help.
I don't know them, I cannot recommend them as such for that reason. Try yourself.
That's the best I can do for you for now.
Lots of success and please keep me noted on how you're doing there in general ;)
Rgds,
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 08:28 28-Nov-2018
Thanks I really appreciate it. My car is registered to me in the Czech republic, the documents shows my name everywhere, so probably no problems. I brought the care into Ukraine in 2016. This means the car is illegally here, and will have to pay 8k fine- no problem with it.

Frankly my wife is using that car, it will be better for us to take advantage of the new law and register in Ukraine. We've been asking around on how to calculate the new fees with no luck. The car is 9 years old diesel 1.3 engine. If anyone can advise how to calculate it according to the new rules? Also, if this new law came into force or not? will my car be under the 50% off during these 90 days grace period?

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 09:01 28-Nov-2018
Thanks I really appreciate it. My car is registered to me in the Czech republic, the documents shows my name everywhere, so probably no problems. I brought the care into Ukraine in 2016. This means the car is illegally here, and will have to pay 8k fine- no problem with it.
Frankly my wife is using that car, it will be better for us to take advantage of the new law and register in Ukraine. We've been asking around on how to calculate the new fees with no luck. The car is 9 years old diesel 1.3 engine. If anyone can advise how to calculate it according to the new rules? Also, if this new law came into force or not? will my car be under the 50% off during these 90 days grace period?
I'm not an expert at all. I know there are a few members around here with far better insight than me ;)
What I could say is that I see a few things here that draw my attention with the limited knowledge I have.
"illegally"; "9 years old"; "diesel". My advise is to wait for more professional advise here and/or to consult a real expert in that field in general. It may be a difficult case ...
Good luck.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 12:38 30-Nov-2018
He does help us but he declines that he works for us and is our broker. Maybe he does not want to stick out his neck in this case, until it is solved.


Yeahh, now you understand what I told you about the local "brockers". They care much more abt not loosing the loyalty of the customs officer than their client, who has no choice and will come over anyway.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 14:10 30-Nov-2018
If anyone can advise how to calculate it according to the new rules? Also, if this new law came into force or not? will my car be under the 50% off during these 90 days grace period?

http://rastamozhki.net/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80-%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BA%D0%B8/

General calculation method:

Take your car invoice value (say EUR 3000)

add 10% import duty = EUR 300
add excise (EUR/litre 75 for diesel or EUR/litre 50 for gas X number of years old X 0.5 grace coef. and this is the only cost line, where 0.5 grace is applied) = EUR 438.75
add VAT (20% X (car value + duty + excise)) = EUR 747.75
All together = EUR 1486.50

The car value is still to be approved by the customs. This is a tricky part cause usually they raise a little using their tables.

add UAH 8500 fine for illegal stay.

You will need the proof that the car is de-registered in your home country. If this can be done without car going back home - good for you.

Some extra costs are listed in the "calculator" link
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 18:11 30-Nov-2018
How is the value in general calculated ?
Do they take a similiar car in ukrain and then discount for all the taxes on that one and say thats the value or how to the do ?

Im thinking about changing my BMW X5 2007 to UA plates from BG plates, the car is not illegal here its just getting annoyed to drive it to BG to do a mechanical test every year...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 19:09 30-Nov-2018
How is the value in general calculated ?
Do they take a similiar car in ukrain and then discount for all the taxes on that one and say thats the value or how to the do ?
Im thinking about changing my BMW X5 2007 to UA plates from BG plates, the car is not illegal here its just getting annoyed to drive it to BG to do a mechanical test every year...

Nowadays they use some online database from Germany with the "day" value prices of many cars. With that it makes the trading about the taxable price much more challenging, to say the least  ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 20:13 30-Nov-2018
How will they calculate in then if something is wrong with the car..
My X5 cant open the full sunroof thats normally and 1500 EUR discount due to the fix is between 1000-2000 Euro fix.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 05:55 02-Dec-2018
Thank you guys this is very useful information. One of the brokers suggested earlier in this thread, replied that he would do it for few hundred $. However, de-registration the car in Czechia will be almost impossible without the car itself. And if I take the car out of Ukraine, de-register it, I will never be able to register the car in Ukraine. Such complicated system, I'm not sure if Polish cars in Lviv area will all be able to legalize their vehicles in Ukraine.

My car value in Czechia will not be between 2k and 2.5k. I will start the process mid of December and will let you know how it goes.



Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 07:26 02-Dec-2018
Thank you guys this is very useful information. One of the brokers suggested earlier in this thread, replied that he would do it for few hundred $. However, de-registration the car in Czechia will be almost impossible without the car itself. And if I take the car out of Ukraine, de-register it, I will never be able to register the car in Ukraine. Such complicated system, I'm not sure if Polish cars in Lviv area will all be able to legalize their vehicles in Ukraine.
My car value in Czechia will not be between 2k and 2.5k. I will start the process mid of December and will let you know how it goes.

Not clear whether you simply import the car and would like to pay taxes, as appropriate, but in that case try to find the help of an experienced car importing person (car dealer). Those that are familiar with the procedures and ... know all the people during the full process. It does cost you a bit extra, but it will save you the nerves.

BTW, my car is still (since 21/10) in custody at the customs since I fail to prove my rightful ownership. At least that is the official reading. The additional remark is that since I import it as part of my household (=duty free) all the papers have to be perfectly in order. Which is claimed not to be the case here ...  >:(

Good luck :)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 10:25 02-Dec-2018
How could you 'de-register' a car in any country then be able to drive it into UA??   Some sort of temp. registration or would it need to be shipped in?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 10:41 02-Dec-2018
How could you 'de-register' a car in any country then be able to drive it into UA??   Some sort of temp. registration or would it need to be shipped in?

I can only speak for the Netherlands, where you de-register and get a temporarily permit for 10 days to allow you within the country itself to do what ever you need to do. Similarly, a short term insurance is provided for that period. Hence, driving outside the country is not the responsibility of the Dutch authority ...
If you de-register mentioning export, an export declaration will be provided showing the new owner/import receiver and the main technical details of the car. In addition, if you bring it out of the EU, you'll receive an export form (Ex1 doc) with the pre-determined customs post where that leaving will take place. That's a permit to leave the EU, proving by the original authorities that the car is released for export.
Another way is like the car dealers do, indeed, the shipping. Then temp road registration is obviously not needed.

Important issue appears to be the value of the car for import. It used to be a kind of negotiation with the customs to have that arranged for. An experience car dealer could be great help here. However, meanwhile it appears the customs have a direct access to an online database with the average values of used cars, provided through a German company. That makes the negotiation part much harder....
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 11:33 02-Dec-2018
If you want to de-register any car in EU, you need to have the car on the territory of the country of registration ! For me, it means that I have to drive the car back to CZ, de-register it and have an export licenses issued, then travel back to Ukraine, where at the border and according to the new law, will NOT allow me to import the car due to age (2009) !! Well done !

We will speak with a dealer in Lviv and see how can they help. Another broker offered help for about 1500$ all hassle free service.

Checking few German websites, I found that my car is ranging between 2000 and 5500 EUR. A broker would be an option to reduce the value of the car.

We will take the car to the border (Mostestska) next week, I will keep you all posted.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 18:58 02-Dec-2018
If you want to de-register any car in EU, you need to have the car on the territory of the country of registration ! For me, it means that I have to drive the car back to CZ, de-register it and have an export licenses issued, then travel back to Ukraine, where at the border and according to the new law, will NOT allow me to import the car due to age (2009) !! Well done !

We will speak with a dealer in Lviv and see how can they help. Another broker offered help for about 1500$ all hassle free service.

Checking few German websites, I found that my car is ranging between 2000 and 5500 EUR. A broker would be an option to reduce the value of the car.

We will take the car to the border (Mostestska) next week, I will keep you all posted.

why cant you import a 2009 car ?
The calculator on the import say they cap the import tax on 15 years
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 06:32 03-Dec-2018
True, but valid only for cars on the territories of Ukraine. According to the new law, you can't import to Ukraine cars over five years old. The calculator is for cars inside Ukraine and for individuals who would like to legalize/register their vehicles.

That's to my understanding, not sure if there are exceptions, perhaps for foreign diplomats.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: UKUA on 08:44 03-Dec-2018
"De-registering" a UK registered vehicle.

Page 10 for you Brits

By law you must tell the DVLA if you are taking your vehicle abroad for more than 12 months (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/681998/inf46-registration-numbers-and-you.pdf)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 09:25 03-Dec-2018
Would that 5 year limit also apply to motorcycles?  ???


And is this limited to Euro Cars? Different for vehicles brought in from the US / Canada?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 10:44 03-Dec-2018
True, but valid only for cars on the territories of Ukraine. According to the new law, you can't import to Ukraine cars over five years old. The calculator is for cars inside Ukraine and for individuals who would like to legalize/register their vehicles.

That's to my understanding, not sure if there are exceptions, perhaps for foreign diplomats.

Seems that this statement does not have a lawfull background. On the other hand the limit of EURO 5 or higher for newly imported cars is still valid.

A good site for duties calculation is here

https://www.mdoffice.com.ua/ru/aMDOAvto.html

There is also a page, where you can find an "average market price". I have no idea if the officials use the same tables but this site belongs to one of the leading customs declaration program manufacturer. Usually their source is quite credible.

Regarding the brockers: there are 2 types of them over the place.
1. Expensive guys that fix big and small problems
2. Hard working "cheap" guys that mostly do their job (check your dox, submit papers to the customs ) but do not solve problems.
Same as lawyers. They either have to know the law or the judge. Who knows which one would be better for you.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Laimon on 05:44 24-Feb-2019
I finally made it ! It was a hassle even after we hired a broker. You will have to de-register the car from the EU anyway, without this document it was impossible.

The total cost including the broker was 2200$ which I consider as a success.

The queues at the border are horrible and thousands of cars are lying down waiting for paperwork. The same at the traffic police in Striyj. It is way better if you have someone with you who knows people from the inside.

My advise to you all, hire someone! Alone, you will have to camp few days at the border and another couple of days at the traffic police.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 07:45 24-Feb-2019
But you must have hit the customs just before the discount rates expired. The lines should be much shorter now that everyone who waited until the last minute before paying the discount rate has expired.

 Cars brought in now will pay a higher rate from what I understand.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 10:43 24-Feb-2019
I finally made it ! It was a hassle even after we hired a broker. You will have to de-register the car from the EU anyway, without this document it was impossible.
The total cost including the broker was 2200$ which I consider as a success.
The queues at the border are horrible and thousands of cars are lying down waiting for paperwork. The same at the traffic police in Striyj. It is way better if you have someone with you who knows people from the inside.
My advise to you all, hire someone! Alone, you will have to camp few days at the border and another couple of days at the traffic police.

Laimon, a big congratulations with your success. It's good to hear that you were lucky enough to be apparently at the better border and customs office, and to find a broker who was willing to help you. For me that is a clear sign that you did select the right office ;)

AdMike, You're right. The special period with the 50% rebate prices ended at the end of 22 Febr. Hence the terrible queues everywhere. I understood that certain customs office even remained open till midnight that day.

To provide a general update on my car situation as reported earlier, I appear to be not this lucky at all. My car is still, since 21st Oct. locked up in the customs area and the status of the case is detrimental, to say the least.
I'm working hard to find a working solution, whereby I've full trust in my lawyer in this case ....
No more to say for now.
Slava Ukraina ;)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 11:26 24-Feb-2019
I hope it all gets sorted out for you Bob!

 I'll be following these steps later on this summer with a motorcycle so I look forward to any helpful hints.
 
 I will be using a broker just for ease but recommendations about a good one would be helpful also.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 16:42 24-Feb-2019
I hope it all gets sorted out for you Bob!
 I'll be following these steps later on this summer with a motorcycle so I look forward to any helpful hints.
  I will be using a broker just for ease but recommendations about a good one would be helpful also.

I'll keep you updated here as such. Indeed, a good broker is essential. At the other hand, as mentioned earlier here in the forum, not all brokers are willing to stick out their necks (too much). Hence, as soon as it gets tricky, they may pull out or abstain.

Main point is under what conditions to import the motorcycle. Is it a straight forward import or does it come together with the household?

Where it went wrong in my situation is that I showed too many documents, which in fact where not of there concern. That was due to the lack of a proper broker. When I thought I had one, he kept on saying: I'm trying to help you, but I'm not your broker ...
Basically, as I now understand much better, what you need is the official export form from EU (if applicable) together with a verified value estimate of the vehicle. The latter is disputable, but since some time they now use EU databases for that. Whether that is valid for a motorcycle I cannot tell for now.

BTW, where are you going to pass the border and proceed on the imports with the customs? That, apparently, seems to make a difference too ....

Anyway, I'll keep dropping my updates here. Please help and keep the fingers crossed with me :)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 17:23 24-Feb-2019
The bike will be coming from the US. I'm going to travel there for a couple months then bring it across the pond with Air Canada or Lufthansa in the belly of the same bird (special rates for motorcycles) I'm on and tour Europe some on my way home.
My port of entry is wide open.  I'll have receipts for the bike and such.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 10:39 25-Feb-2019
I finally made it ! It was a hassle even after we hired a broker. You will have to de-register the car from the EU anyway, without this document it was impossible.

The total cost including the broker was 2200$ which I consider as a success.

The queues at the border are horrible and thousands of cars are lying down waiting for paperwork. The same at the traffic police in Striyj. It is way better if you have someone with you who knows people from the inside.

My advise to you all, hire someone! Alone, you will have to camp few days at the border and another couple of days at the traffic police.


Can you tell how they determined the value of the car ?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 13:13 25-Feb-2019
Can you tell how they determined the value of the car ?

It used to be a kind a guess work, whereby the influence of the broker, sometimes with a bit of "motivation money", could properly lower it.

Nowadays, that became more difficult, since the Customs have access to and use amongst others a German online database with the day value of many cars. It's a rather solid database, as one may expect when it's been used in Germany ;) Still, you need a good broker :)
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 15:19 25-Feb-2019
Yes thats was also my Guess..

But what if you have an real invoice from a seller of the car

Im still considering to move my BMW X5 onto Ukranian plates in the future.
The car will be sold out from a Company to Me/My wife Private, the carprice would be under market Price due to the sunroof not can open (its an 2K euro Repair probably)

So what would they do in this case, and yes A broker is probably needed to get at least the speed up.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 15:50 25-Feb-2019
Yes thats was also my Guess..
But what if you have an real invoice from a seller of the car
Im still considering to move my BMW X5 onto Ukranian plates in the future.
The car will be sold out from a Company to Me/My wife Private, the carprice would be under market Price due to the sunroof not can open (its an 2K euro Repair probably)
So what would they do in this case, and yes A broker is probably needed to get at least the speed up.

If you do have a real invoice where you believe the indicated price value is (still) valid at the time you present it to the Customs, it could be that it will be accepted. Still, as I do understand it, through a broker that real amount is negotiable. Additional damage shown on the vehicle could lower the price. A good broker will use such argument.
Make sure that whatever document you are to present, is really needed to add to your case. In addition, make sure that the presented document cannot be interpreted in any other way than what you had in mind. Again, a good broker should protect you here.

I don't think for now I can speak freely here, but I can assure you that with the smallest unexpected detail of information the whole deal could be blown up. Literally.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 19:07 25-Feb-2019
Over 2,800 cars with foreign registration legalized in Ukraine under new rules ? Fiscal Service 16:34, 25 February 2019 ECONOMY 65 0 In the grace period, UAH 13.5 billion (US$ 500 million) in customs payments were channeled into the national budget.

Customs of the State Fiscal Service (SFS) of Ukraine from November 25, 2018 to February 22 cleared over 218,000 motor vehicles with foreign registration plates under new preferential rules, that is a 50% discount on excise tax. "The grace period for the reduced excise tax rate for customs clearance of vehicles ended on February 22. All declarations submitted by citizens before 24:00 on the last day of the grace period will be processed and registered by the SFS within the preferential regime...

Since the beginning of the grace period for customs clearance of cars (November 25, 2018), more than 218,000 vehicles have been legalized by customs as of February 24, 2019," the SFS press service said. Read also Protesters against new duties on imported vehicles blocking traffic at border checkpoints in Western Ukraine Over the said period, UAH 13.5 billion (US$ 500 million) in customs payments were channeled into the national budget, the report said. In total, 700 vehicles with foreign registration plates have undergone customs clearance procedures on February 22 alone, it said. Citizens were most active in terms of customs clearance of their vehicles in Kyiv region (24,103 cars), Volyn region (15,443 cars), Zakarpattia region (12,094 cars), Lviv region (11,163 cars), and Chernivtsi region (10,652 cars)," the SFS press service said on February 25.

As UNIAN reported earlier, the laws of Ukraine on introducing amendments to the Tax and Customs Codes regarding the reduction of excise tax on passenger cars and increased control over the movement and use of cars with foreign registration plates came into force on November 25. The legislation introduced basic excise rates depending on the type of the engine and its displacement. Used cars that had already been brought into Ukraine's customs territory without customs clearance before the introduction of the said laws were subject to a 0.5 coefficient to calculate the tax rate for customs clearance within 90 days after the laws became effective. Owners of cars with foreign registration plates repeatedly held protests in Ukraine. They demanded that the government reduce the cost of customs clearance of their cars and stop putting pressure on them.

Read more on UNIAN: https://economics.unian.info/10459335-over-2-800-cars-with-foreign-registration-legalized-in-ukraine-under-new-rules-fiscal-service.html
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 23:13 25-Feb-2019

If you do have a real invoice where you believe the indicated price value is (still) valid at the time you present it to the Customs, it could be that it will be accepted. Still, as I do understand it, through a broker that real amount is negotiable. Additional damage shown on the vehicle could lower the price. A good broker will use such argument.
Make sure that whatever document you are to present, is really needed to add to your case. In addition, make sure that the presented document cannot be interpreted in any other way than what you had in mind. Again, a good broker should protect you here.

I don't think for now I can speak freely here, but I can assure you that with the smallest unexpected detail of information the whole deal could be blown up. Literally.

Thx.

Yes I will use a broker if I decide to go this way, just didnt have time and option to fix it this time so will look at it Again in some months when the brokers also are more hungry for business.

Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 09:45 26-Feb-2019
Would it help if the bill of sale were notarized? We all know how much value they seem to have in the 'blue stamps'...
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: Pantherdk on 18:40 26-Feb-2019
Would it help if the bill of sale were notarized? We all know how much value they seem to have in the 'blue stamps'...


I would ofc do that because the car is from bulgaria where they also use notary alot.
And i couls get it foe 25 euro so why not do that.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 10:24 27-Feb-2019
Would it help if the bill of sale were notarized? We all know how much value they seem to have in the 'blue stamps'...
I would ofc do that because the car is from bulgaria where they also use notary alot.
And i couls get it foe 25 euro so why not do that.
In my opinion it is difficult to predict. It may depend on the particular customs office involved. In addition, the customs appear to do what they believe is right. Whether that is rightful ....
BTW, there seems to be a new way of working. That is, the request will be put into the computerised system with all the necessary info. Then the system randomly allocates a customs officer to deal with it. That officer may be anywhere in Ukraine and is as such "unknown". It's seems to be a way to fight corruption.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 10:32 27-Feb-2019
Congratulations Laimon!

Just writing to amend all that I many times posted here and to many of you in PMs.

You are now absolutely free to choose at which customs office to clear your car (be it border, your local customs office or kyiv).

No brocker knows in advance the customs value, that will be defined by the customs. This is negotiable - yes. If you have a true and legal invoice - surely it is a benefit and will give you/your brocker a strong position. The brocker that tells you exact customs value upfront - plays dirty games with customs and will save you 200-300 euros but he will never be YOUR brocker.

Cars/bikes from across the ocean: if you bring it inside a container to Odessa - the transport costs will be added to your customs value. If received in EU and entered ukrborder "on wheels" - no see freight added.

Documents to be agreed with the brocker upfront - good idea. Having dox in hand try to consult few possible agents at different customs offices. The approaches may slightly differ.

Any questions - let me know.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 12:07 27-Feb-2019
I've read about "De-registering" a vehicle from Europe in order to bring it into Ukraine, but how would that work for one from the US?  ???

It's not done there.  :-[  I'll have the title, (proof of ownership) and current registration of the bike.  Do overseas cars/bikes need to be de-registered also?
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 13:57 27-Feb-2019
  I'll have the title, (proof of ownership) and current registration of the bike. 

Can you send a copy of the dox available (or sample of the dox to probably be available)? I will ask proper guys.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 14:33 27-Feb-2019
(https://picua.org/images/2019/02/27/237ebb638235c7a80d2f35a1c71f200d.md.jpg)

This is how EXPORT stamp looks like on a salvage title. I believe that it is possible to get the same when you export a car with a cert of ownership. This stamp proves to be sufficient. If any new information arises I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 00:31 28-Feb-2019
I believe that stamp is the mark of export by the US Customs showing that it's exported. On the US end that appears to be all that is needed.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: VGera on 14:07 28-Feb-2019
I believe that stamp is the mark of export by the US Customs showing that it's exported. On the US end that appears to be all that is needed.

At least in Kyiv customs and when laid upon salvage title - YES.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: BobLviv on 18:19 20-Mar-2019
It is with pleasure that I can announce the successful finalisation of my car import.
As mentioned earlier, after the duty free import failed due to the lack of proper acting by my presumed broker, the car got stuck at the customs premises. Whatever was demanded and provided appeared not to be sufficient, satisfactory or whatever to release the car. They wanted to see money, this was clear.
Thanks to the help of a perfect team of lawyers we managed to go onto a different track, but not duty free. Still it took time and effort. Where the car was turned-in second half of October, it spent all winter tight up to finally be released beginning of March. At least I did not use my winter tires this time ;)
I'll save you the financial calculations but it was a lot for "duty free"  >:(
Having the right or being in a legally rightful position does not mean you'll succeed that way.
I would like to thank my fellow expats here and the others who have supported, assisted and sympathised with me and this case.
Title: Re: Registering a car in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 19:37 20-Mar-2019
Oh, Oh, Oh ,can I be next??  Please Please Pretty Please???   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)