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Title: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 15:14 18-Feb-2021
Hi,

Call me Joe. I'm an American who's lived in Ukraine since 1996. Next June, surviving Covid, I should hit 25 years. I write for some toothy periodicals published both here and in the US. I'd love to hear from anyone, but if you've got any advice about US Covid stimulus checks and/or about reacclimating to the US, you'd have my extra special attention.

Good work on the forum; it's a real help in a place that struggles as hard as Ukraine does with public information releases.

peace from Kyiv
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: AkMike on 05:43 19-Feb-2021
Hello Joe, There's a local man here that's been here since 88 so you don't have the record yet.. But you've still got a chance.. :D
 If you've been paying US taxes then the check should have been deposited in the same account as you pay them from. At least that my understanding.
 If you're planning on moving back depending on where you go and where you're at now it might not be a big change. Or it could be huge. Personally I think that during the next 4 years are going to see a serious decline of the US. I hope that I'm wrong. We'll see.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: UKUA on 15:24 20-Feb-2021

 Personally I think that during the next 4 years are going to see a serious decline of the US. I hope that I'm wrong. We'll see.


So, for the next 4 years, you'll be biding ( :D) your time? Could be 8 or even 12. Who knows?
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: Ted on 08:57 21-Feb-2021

 Personally I think that during the next 4 years are going to see a serious decline of the US. I hope that I'm wrong. We'll see.


So, for the next 4 years, you'll be biding ( :D) your time? Could be 8 or even 12. Who knows?

I dunno about anyone else but I am never going back for any reason. The U.S. has worked my last nerve.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: Tnic on 13:16 21-Feb-2021
Joe, welcome and I hope to see more of you (here in the forum, don't get creepy now) in the future.

I'm in Maine waiting for things to settle enough to get my bride's Visa Interview scheduled and done so I can bring her here to help finish building our little cabin in the hay field/love shack.  Far too many things I enjoy doing here that are impossible for me in UA.  Like Keeping & Bearing and waking up to the cries of coyotes at midnight and roosters in the morning and a beautiful sun rise without a concrete canyon spoiling the view.

Fraucha:  You know too much to come back.
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Post by: gregorycrs on 13:48 21-Feb-2021
Joe, curious as to what age group your are in.  Being in Ukraine 25 years is a long time and begs the question what is leading your path to want to move back to the US after all these years.  I think the biggest shock will be prices for most things in the US and of course many aspects of medical/dental care. 

For the past 4 years, we have lived part time in Kyiv and in Florida, flying between locations on average 2-3 time per year because of the 90/180 limitation for me.  We own homes in both locations.  My Ukrainian wife received US citizenship this year and I (64 years old) received my Ukraine Permanent Residency, so we are contemplating moving to Kyiv full time for a few years.  I'm thinking the adjustment may be difficult for me at my age.  But flying back & forth becomes exhausting too.  We love Spring, Summer, and part of Fall but winters there are horrible for us.  Pre-COVID, we hoped to spend winters in warm destinations such as Thailand or other warm countries.   Florida real estate prices have skyrocketed this past year (so has insurance and taxes) so we are feeling this year may be the time to sell (home value increased 30% in the past 12 months).
         
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 12:42 04-Mar-2021
Hello Joe, There's a local man here that's been here since 88 so you don't have the record yet.. But you've still got a chance.. :D
 If you've been paying US taxes then the check should have been deposited in the same account as you pay them from. At least that my understanding.
 If you're planning on moving back depending on where you go and where you're at now it might not be a big change. Or it could be huge. Personally I think that during the next 4 years are going to see a serious decline of the US. I hope that I'm wrong. We'll see.

No records, please! I should add that I lived in Russia (Novosibirsk) prior to Ukraine, moving there in '92. Dang. Still no record.  ;)
The problem with all that time spent "over here" is I'm a non-entity financially in the US. That means paper Covid checks, refund checks. Ukrainian banks run screaming from US Treasury checks, imagine. IMF money? They can't get enough of it, but try to cash a Treasury check and that dog don't hunt.

The decline part: believe me, I hear you. But we've got a 5- and a 7-year-old and the education options here - particularly public education - are miserable.
For a lot of reasons I was with the poster below - "never going back" - but then these little guys came along and my priorities took a hit, necessitating a serious reconsideration.

I appreciate the advice / admonition. We may find that the US doesn't suit us after a couple of years and are keeping our options open.  The pace of life over there gives me pause, I admit. The identity culture fetish (and I'm a barking liberal) is out of hand. Reasoned, sober consideration of US history is falling out of favor and in its place burn-down-the-house historical revisionism.  Frankly, it's scary. Scares my wife and she grew up a communist.  In truth, she's the reason I think we'll be able to handle it.

At least, that's what she says.  :)
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 12:50 04-Mar-2021
Joe, welcome and I hope to see more of you (here in the forum, don't get creepy now) in the future.

I'm in Maine waiting for things to settle enough to get my bride's Visa Interview scheduled and done so I can bring her here to help finish building our little cabin in the hay field/love shack.  Far too many things I enjoy doing here that are impossible for me in UA.  Like Keeping & Bearing and waking up to the cries of coyotes at midnight and roosters in the morning and a beautiful sun rise without a concrete canyon spoiling the view.

Fraucha:  You know too much to come back.

I hear you. I grew up rural in western Washington and Alaska, so life in the country and/or the wild provide me with a primary incentive for returning: Ukraine, for all the reasons to love it, can't equal the outdoor life of home. Even if it has been a quarter of a century since I set foot there.

We're in a similar boat re: the Visa Interview. Seems like we're further back in the line than you are, but at least the process is moving. Forward or backward, who can say, but moving. Good luck to you. Enjoy your life absent the "concrete vistas" of Kyiv.  Old Joke: What are the two great tragedies of Kyiv? 1)Destroyed by the Nazis and 2)Rebuilt by the Communists.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 13:22 04-Mar-2021
Joe, curious as to what age group your are in.  Being in Ukraine 25 years is a long time and begs the question what is leading your path to want to move back to the US after all these years.  I think the biggest shock will be prices for most things in the US and of course many aspects of medical/dental care. 

For the past 4 years, we have lived part time in Kyiv and in Florida, flying between locations on average 2-3 time per year because of the 90/180 limitation for me.  We own homes in both locations.  My Ukrainian wife received US citizenship this year and I (64 years old) received my Ukraine Permanent Residency, so we are contemplating moving to Kyiv full time for a few years.  I'm thinking the adjustment may be difficult for me at my age.  But flying back & forth becomes exhausting too.  We love Spring, Summer, and part of Fall but winters there are horrible for us.  Pre-COVID, we hoped to spend winters in warm destinations such as Thailand or other warm countries.   Florida real estate prices have skyrocketed this past year (so has insurance and taxes) so we are feeling this year may be the time to sell (home value increased 30% in the past 12 months).
         

Nice to meet you. You've got a couple years on me: I'll be 59 in June.

You've got some nice advantages owning those homes. Listen, I'm no expert, but private real estate trends here are a little watery, but with a general, gradual upward trajectory. Meaning: if you own in Kyiv AND Florida, sell ONE, rent out the other, and BUY for MUCH less in Lviv. Of my (nearly) 25 years here, 17 have been in Kyiv and the city has changed. Pollution, trafffic, and (since the war) crime have increased significantly. If respiratory health is an issue, Kyiv is rough unless you plan on living outside the city. Yet, even there, you'll run into environmental and serious infrastructure issues.

Just be careful. There are good deals to be had. Single family, pre-fab homes in the outskirts are popular, but if you're the kind of couple that needs access to restaurants (that are any good), the opera, movie theaters, museums...culture in general...living in the Kyiv outskirts you might as well be living in Florida.

Then there's health care. There are, probably, a total of 3 clinic/hospital providers (in Kyiv) that I'd recommend to any "westerner" accustomed to a higher level of access, professionalism, and facilities. The rest is too similar to fly-by-night Ukrainian mercantilists of the '90s--heavy on promise, light on delivery. And, when it comes to medical care, dangerous.

But if your health is good, your finances reasonably stable and you don't need immediate access to cultural venues and modern consumerist Ukraine (they have learned ALL of the worst lessons of American culture and imitated them) then I'd look at Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Vinnitsya, in no particular order. All good, comparatively quiet places. Historic buildings. Nice parks. SLoooooW pace of life.  Yeah, Kyiv has changed.

One thing to consider about your winters. They have grown considerably milder here in the last decade or so. Of course, that's likely relative. I'm from Washington/Alaska and lived in Siberia, so a Kyiv winter is a snap. Last winter 19/20 - was, meterologically speaking, a non-winter, with no sustained period below 32F. And no snow until March 22nd, the first day of spring. In a place like this, where agriculture depends so heavily on winter precipitation, that's not a good thing. The climate has changed here. June-July 2019 in Kyiv were unbearable. 2020 was the lowest rainfall in decades.  I need more rain to be truly happy, I guess.  My advice: consider Turkey. It's close by, the winters are bearable, reports are the rates are good. Flights are also ridiculously cheap.

Why were going back now.  I wrote it above, but I'll repeat it here: my wife and I have two little boys now and we need good schools. They're both fully tri-lingual, so I'm not worried about them keeping up in the US. For special education - music, sports, intellectual challenge - we find private tutors or schools because Ukrainian public education is, in most instances, still stuck in the authoritarian Soviet model (despite the NUS program) and I don't really see it improving until a major overhaul of higher education is able to take root.  Those boys are my primary reason for leaving.

My wife matters, too. Speaks four languages, negotiates international projects and contracts and gets treated (and paid) like dirt. She deserves better than she can get here and, in the US, won't have to sell her soul to get it.

I don't write any of this with regret or malice. Hell, I spend nearly half my life here, I couldn't have hated it that much, right? But I see what I see. Living here has brought me immeasurable professional and personal benefits, but it's time.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: Tnic on 12:34 05-Mar-2021
Hello Joe, There's a local man here that's been here since 88 so you don't have the record yet.. But you've still got a chance.. :D
 If you've been paying US taxes then the check should have been deposited in the same account as you pay them from. At least that my understanding.
 If you're planning on moving back depending on where you go and where you're at now it might not be a big change. Or it could be huge. Personally I think that during the next 4 years are going to see a serious decline of the US. I hope that I'm wrong. We'll see.

No records, please! I should add that I lived in Russia (Novosibirsk) prior to Ukraine, moving there in '92. Dang. Still no record.  ;)
The problem with all that time spent "over here" is I'm a non-entity financially in the US. That means paper Covid checks, refund checks. Ukrainian banks run screaming from US Treasury checks, imagine. IMF money? They can't get enough of it, but try to cash a Treasury check and that dog don't hunt.

The decline part: believe me, I hear you. But we've got a 5- and a 7-year-old and the education options here - particularly public education - are miserable.
For a lot of reasons I was with the poster below - "never going back" - but then these little guys came along and my priorities took a hit, necessitating a serious reconsideration.

I appreciate the advice / admonition. We may find that the US doesn't suit us after a couple of years and are keeping our options open.  The pace of life over there gives me pause, I admit. The identity culture fetish (and I'm a barking liberal) is out of hand. Reasoned, sober consideration of US history is falling out of favor and in its place burn-down-the-house historical revisionism.  Frankly, it's scary. Scares my wife and she grew up a communist.  In truth, she's the reason I think we'll be able to handle it.

At least, that's what she says.  :)

It most certainly is a tough decision, what with rage & sensationalism ruling the news cycles.  But, I'm sure you're aware that its not like that everywhere. 

I'll throw out a shameless plug for my little corner of the world, Bangor, Maine.  Everyone's pretty calm and considerate here.  We smile, we laugh, we treat each other with respect.  I still have my Trump sticker on my truck (yeah, I'm a redneck) and have yet to get keyed or slashed.  Most folks here are just neighborly and if you're on "the other side of the political fence" at least cordial for the most part.  I'd like to think that is really the prevailing mood across the country.

Where would you be looking to settle if you decide to head west?
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 14:22 05-Mar-2021

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It most certainly is a tough decision, what with rage & sensationalism ruling the news cycles.  But, I'm sure you're aware that its not like that everywhere. 

I'll throw out a shameless plug for my little corner of the world, Bangor, Maine.  Everyone's pretty calm and considerate here.  We smile, we laugh, we treat each other with respect.  I still have my Trump sticker on my truck (yeah, I'm a redneck) and have yet to get keyed or slashed.  Most folks here are just neighborly and if you're on "the other side of the political fence" at least cordial for the most part.  I'd like to think that is really the prevailing mood across the country.

Where would you be looking to settle if you decide to head west?

We're looking at three options: your neck of the woods (red- or otherwise), western Pennsylvania, and my home, western Washington, the latter being the frontrunner. Back in the day I lived for a bit in New Hampshire and enjoyed it. Pretty conservative place but like you say, most folk balance "life free or die" with "live and let live" in my experience. Maine, NH and western Washington have an ocean, Pittsburgh, last time I checked, doesn't, and ocean air is right at the top of my list, so PA might be a last resort, though not an undesirable one for lots of reasons. Go Pens!

We also have some decent opportunities to choose from re work and the rest, so the natural setting--trees, water, hills to climb and the chance to put in a garden, have some animals--ranks high on our selection criteria. Kyiv, for all the things it offers (and it offers a lot) can't provide those to the degree I'm looking for. Yeah, I'm spoiled growing up where I did, but we need what we need, right?

It's a sad commentary, but the political divide does worry my wife some. The lack of professionalism, the lack of objectivity she sees on "the news" doesn't help, and on bad days has her wondering about American society in general. Fortunately, that legitimate concern is balanced out by the fact that she's a grown-up (and my, how wonderfully these Ukrainian woman grow) and has enough experience with average Americans to see that if you want to truly understand a culture, you'd best switch off the TV. She also has enough experience in the systemic abuse and endemic congnitive dissonance of Soviet & post-Soviet existence to understand BS when she smells it. So, yeah, we stay aware, but we've got bigger fish to fry than to worry too much about what Mitch McConnel and Nancy Pelosi are spatting about this week.

Thanks for checking in, and one piece of advice: get that bumpersticker off your truck and watch the resale value skyrocket. :)
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: UKUA on 23:07 05-Mar-2021

Thanks for checking in, and one piece of advice: get that bumpersticker off your truck and watch the resale value skyrocket. :)


 :) :) :) :)

The resale value of the bumper sticker or the truck?

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: Tnic on 11:50 07-Mar-2021

Thanks for checking in, and one piece of advice: get that bumpersticker off your truck and watch the resale value skyrocket. :)


 :) :) :) :)

The resale value of the bumper sticker or the truck?

 :) :) :) :)

ROFLMBO!!!!!!

Actually I (at least) double the Ram's value at every fill up.  :D

About our media.  Everyone thought the whole country was in flames over the summer when it was actually 3 or 4 cities and those were in a relatively small area.  Never let a crisis go to waste.  I have friends (yes its true) all over the USA and none of them saw anything like what was seen on the evening news every night.

The areas you're looking at sound like good choices, though I'm partial to Maine (I'm a native born Buckeye too) so tell your bride not to worry.  If you find yourselves in NE, I hope we'll get a chance to break bread with you.  My bride should be home (AT LAST) by Memorial Day.  Finally got her interview rescheduled and set for end of Apr.
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Post by: AkMike on 07:38 08-Mar-2021
Now I'm curious!
When and where were you in Alaska? I was there from 67 thru 17. Yeah an even 50 years until I pulled the plug and moved here. I lived in Anchorage most of the time with portions in Juneau, Kenai, Fbks. and Valdez.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 15:38 11-Mar-2021

Thanks for checking in, and one piece of advice: get that bumpersticker off your truck and watch the resale value skyrocket. :)


 :) :) :) :)

The resale value of the bumper sticker or the truck?

 :) :) :) :)

ROFLMBO!!!!!!

Actually I (at least) double the Ram's value at every fill up.  :D

About our media.  Everyone thought the whole country was in flames over the summer when it was actually 3 or 4 cities and those were in a relatively small area.  Never let a crisis go to waste.  I have friends (yes its true) all over the USA and none of them saw anything like what was seen on the evening news every night.

The areas you're looking at sound like good choices, though I'm partial to Maine (I'm a native born Buckeye too) so tell your bride not to worry.  If you find yourselves in NE, I hope we'll get a chance to break bread with you.  My bride should be home (AT LAST) by Memorial Day.  Finally got her interview rescheduled and set for end of Apr.

No kidding (never let a crisis go to waste): see the new Covid Relief Bill. Hey, I'll never object to getting money back but congressional fervor to throw money at problems is getting scary.

I am comforted by the fact that you - as a Mainer - have friends. God works in mysterious ways. I, too, once had friends, one of whom was from Maine. He told me about people who had lived in Maine for 25+ years, had kids there, raised them and would say "well, we're not from Maine but our kids are." And the (according to my friend) usual piece of Maine wisdom in response was: "just because kittens are born in an oven doesn't make 'em biscuits."

Concerns aside about why Maine kittens are hiding out in ovens, I appreciate the encouragement. What you report about the febrile news coverage of "America in Flames!!!" rings true with what life-long pals, relatives, etc. have told me. Isolated. Short-lived. Drivers of lots of news coverage with dramatic shots of a truck on fire or a girl stealing a cake, etc.

America is, by and large, good people. Naive, a little unappreciative of intellectual rigor at times, and inexplicably committed to American football and processed food, but otherwise good people.

I'm glad to hear you've got your interview date. We're just getting going. We've yet to hear the result of the Processing Center review, but I'm fairly confident in that outcome. We're set up to interview here in Kyiv, but if it drags out, we might just go the "tourist visa" route, move, and reschedule for a Center in the US. We'll see. Any advice you've got about this ordeal, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 15:48 11-Mar-2021
Now I'm curious!
When and where were you in Alaska? I was there from 67 thru 17. Yeah an even 50 years until I pulled the plug and moved here. I lived in Anchorage most of the time with portions in Juneau, Kenai, Fbks. and Valdez.

I'm a transplant. Originally from western Washington, but I lived in Anchorage from '79 through '85. I spent most of my time on the Kenai Keys, where my brother has his place. It's, I don't know, maybe about a 30-minute drive south from Jim's Landing near the confluence with the Russian River, near Funny River, maybe about the same distance north of Soldotna.

Fished a lot. Worked on tenders and in a frozen plant.

My two older brothers are still there, one in Anchorage, the other in Juneau, the former since '63 and the latter since '64, IIRC.

I'm partial to Southeast--an island near Sitka would suit me just fine--but I do love the Kenai in those parts where the tourists (and the Texans*) are few.

*No Texans, living or dead, are implicated in this statement, though several are likely hollerin' mad.

Valdez? In search of black gold? What's odd is I keep seeing these ratings where Alaska lands in the "Bottom 10" - one of the worst states in the Union. I mean, I understand what the millennials are thinking, but then again, they clearly don't know what the place has to offer.

If you're at liberty to say: what was the deciding factor in your leaving?
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: Tnic on 12:52 12-Mar-2021

No kidding (never let a crisis go to waste): see the new Covid Relief Bill. Hey, I'll never object to getting money back but congressional fervor to throw money at problems is getting scary.

I am comforted by the fact that you - as a Mainer - have friends. God works in mysterious ways. I, too, once had friends, one of whom was from Maine. He told me about people who had lived in Maine for 25+ years, had kids there, raised them and would say "well, we're not from Maine but our kids are." And the (according to my friend) usual piece of Maine wisdom in response was: "just because kittens are born in an oven doesn't make 'em biscuits."

Concerns aside about why Maine kittens are hiding out in ovens, I appreciate the encouragement. What you report about the febrile news coverage of "America in Flames!!!" rings true with what life-long pals, relatives, etc. have told me. Isolated. Short-lived. Drivers of lots of news coverage with dramatic shots of a truck on fire or a girl stealing a cake, etc.

America is, by and large, good people. Naive, a little unappreciative of intellectual rigor at times, and inexplicably committed to American football and processed food, but otherwise good people.

I'm glad to hear you've got your interview date. We're just getting going. We've yet to hear the result of the Processing Center review, but I'm fairly confident in that outcome. We're set up to interview here in Kyiv, but if it drags out, we might just go the "tourist visa" route, move, and reschedule for a Center in the US. We'll see. Any advice you've got about this ordeal, I'm all ears.

This is year 5 in our journey (I think, seems like forever ago) to Freedom so a lot of what we did to begin has/may have, changed.  Mostly pay attention to the various fields on your I-130 and I-864.  As with UA bureaucrats, they only tell you ONE thing to fix in a rejection even when there are more.  It cost us several months to a year in delays along with other mistakes along the trail. 

If you haven't yet, join visajourney.com.  A lot of folks there can help keep you on the rails.
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: AkMike on 16:06 13-Mar-2021
 Retirement and Grandkids here in Ukraine were the deciding factors for leaving. In a month or so I'll be headed back bouto finish selling off everything left there. With any luck I'll be back here sometime towards the end of June or the first part of July.
 The Valdez years were building the terminal and other sections of the pipeline. Afterwards I kept going with construction, later starting my own small business. My brother kept at it until he retired last fall. Most of the roads in Alaska and the Penn. have some of my time in them.  I've still got a 'dacha' in the Caribou Hills for winter time fun if I ever wander back there in winter. Friends have sort of taken it over during my absence.
 Now I'm settled down in Cherkasy, about 2 1/2 hrs. south of Kyiv.
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Post by: JoeAnna on 19:42 16-Mar-2021
I'm terrible at navigating posts on here. Keep getting all turned around. I've just seen the visajourney.com recommendation and to whomever it was that sent that my way, a big thanks. Great resource. A little discouraging in places, but a little realism never killed anybody. Well, it probably has, but who's counting?

Divesting of your Alaska holdings, that's a big step. Can't imagine what that feels like. 50+ years. Hat's off to you. Cherkasy's good, low-key. We're headed down to an old Soviet summer camp on the Dniepr not far from there this June. Gorgeous place, also low-key. The facilities would kill most westerners, likely, but who goes to the woods for the facilities?  Little village called Prokhorivka. Check it out, it's a 30-ish minute drive from Kaniv, a little farther from Cherkasy, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by: Tnic on 12:41 17-Mar-2021
I'm terrible at navigating posts on here. Keep getting all turned around. I've just seen the visajourney.com recommendation and to whomever it was that sent that my way, a big thanks. Great resource. A little discouraging in places, but a little realism never killed anybody. Well, it probably has, but who's counting?

Yelcome!

If you find posts from Tim & Irina that's us.  Look for an avatar with some old fart and a hot redhead in front of the fountain at Independence Square, btw.

If anyone has experience with your questions, you'll get an answer.  Look for the Russia, Ukraine, Belurus (RUB) Regional board LINK THINGY BELOW for more specific info.  At the top of the page you'll find a "Guides" tab.  There should be a fairly accurate list of required docs to submit and a flowchart of sorts (all in plain speak) to help out as well.

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/98-russia-ukraine-and-belarus/ (https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/98-russia-ukraine-and-belarus/)
Title: Re: Long time lurker, first time poster
Post by: JoeAnna on 19:31 17-Mar-2021
I'm terrible at navigating posts on here. Keep getting all turned around. I've just seen the visajourney.com recommendation and to whomever it was that sent that my way, a big thanks. Great resource. A little discouraging in places, but a little realism never killed anybody. Well, it probably has, but who's counting?

Yelcome!

If you find posts from Tim & Irina that's us.  Look for an avatar with some old fart and a hot redhead in front of the fountain at Independence Square, btw.

If anyone has experience with your questions, you'll get an answer.  Look for the Russia, Ukraine, Belurus (RUB) Regional board LINK THINGY BELOW for more specific info.  At the top of the page you'll find a "Guides" tab.  There should be a fairly accurate list of required docs to submit and a flowchart of sorts (all in plain speak) to help out as well.

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/98-russia-ukraine-and-belarus/ (https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/98-russia-ukraine-and-belarus/)

Very grateful for this. I like to plan things out, do potential problem analysis, draw up "Plan B" "C" and "D". Folks with lived experience is valuable beyond measure, in my opinion. I will check it out immediately. Thanks again.
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Post by: AkMike on 20:11 17-Mar-2021
  I just looked at the map and I went thru that village last summer. I didn't see any camp but there are lot'sa smaller roads wandering off. I've been to a few that are probably similar in some of the biker bashes. The worst thing IMO is the squat toilets. My knees were replaced here but one only bends to a 90 degree. So I wander off in the woods instead. :D It's not like it's the first time for me.
 
  A buddy has a fishing camp across the river and just down stream from where the Ros River comes into the Dnieper. I've taken my boat up there several times. Very close to your camp area.

  I should be back towards the end of June or first part of July if all goes according to plan. Keep in touch and I might wander up there for a day trip. Kaniv seems to be a nice quiet town. I like to spend time out on the dam just watching the water. My grandson like to crawl up on the statue. :)

The boyhood home of Taras Schevchenko isn't too far from Kaniv and it's worth a side trip to see that little museum if you have time.