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Title: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 11:27 09-Jun-2017
Seeing as how many of us are not expats but actually live, breathe, work, marry, procreate in Ukraine... I had a word with those nice chaps at Shot Dead in the Head and they have made us a nice T shirt... even mugs....

https://www.shotdeadinthehead.com/i-m-not-an-expat-t-shirt.html (https://www.shotdeadinthehead.com/i-m-not-an-expat-t-shirt.html)

Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 11:39 09-Jun-2017


I like the idea; I am happy to buy one and would wear it outside of Ukraine. 

But inside Ukraine; it can be like putting a target on your shirt.  I would also like one written in Ukrainian.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: kyivkpic on 14:13 09-Jun-2017


I like the idea; I am happy to buy one and would wear it outside of Ukraine. 

But inside Ukraine; it can be like putting a target on your shirt.  I would also like one written in Ukrainian.

Stating that you are a foreigner in the Ukrainian language would be putting an even larger target on your shirt.

I work in a suit and tie business business park and today (casual Friday) I saw some guy from another company wearing a shirt that says, "Frak ISIS".

I guess his boss can't read English.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 14:29 09-Jun-2017
I think you missed it, but I want that particular shirt (in whatever language) for only wearing outside of Ukraine.  Nothing like starting up a conversation with a Ukrainian who is living abroad while wearing a T-Shirt written in Ukrainian.  Imagine walking down the street or jogging in NY or London wearing a Ukrainian T-shirt; someone might stop you and say, 'Hi, I'm Ukrainian, I work here in NY; so cool to see a Ukrainian T-shirt here.'   It's a conversation piece, which is what Slogan-T-shirts are.

But in any language, I'm not going to wear the word 'Expat' on a shirt here.  There are already pickpockets, corrupt officials, and Russian sympathizers crawling around, so no reason to help self-identify any more than necessary in a public setting.  (Makes no difference that it says, "I'm not an Expat" because the word is what they see first.)

Also, some of the people here equate Expat with Sexpat; which is our own fault partly; To be clear: I'm not saying that Pedophilia-Tourism shouldn't have a mark of shame -- it should absolutely -- but Sexpat is the wrong word in my opinion.  Ukrainians travel also and have sex; nobody gets bent out of shape about it when consenting adults are involved.  I don't get bent out of shape if they come to NY and sleep with whomever (adult) they want; and Ukrainians certainly have no issues jumping into bed with each other here.  To some Ukrainian ears and eyes, there is little difference between the word 'Expat' and 'Sexpat.'  Personally, I wish we would have just stuck with some term like 'Traveling Pedophiles'.  To be honest, I always feel a bit resentful when Ukrainians ask me 'Why are you living in or staying so long in Ukraine?' -- especially when they are already having all manner of sex with each other; and nobody assumes the worst if they are screwing someone while traveling or living abroad.  I don't see why we do this liberal self-loathing to ourselves, but we have.  Really, just my 2 cents.  If others have a different view, that's cool too.  Maybe better left for another thread, on a different day.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm 100% behind the idea of this site having T-shirt and happy to support the idea.  I just don't like that particular message on my T-shirt for wearing in Ukraine.   But that's just me.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 15:22 09-Jun-2017
All good stuff but as someone who regularly wears a T Shirt saying "My children are Foreign" I am perhaps less worried by WTF anyone thinks.

But - by all means - please, all open your own T Shirt shops... and forums come to think of it.... And thats not a dig at anyone here.. more the guy who commented elsewhere that is was too expensive. I've sent him a potato and some paint.
 
8)
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Carlusha on 15:27 09-Jun-2017

But - by all means - please, all open your own T Shirt shops... and forums come to think of it.... And thats not a dig at anyone here.. more the guy who commented elsewhere that is was too expensive. I've sent him a potato and some paint.


 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 15:39 09-Jun-2017
All good stuff but as someone who regularly wears a T Shirt saying "My children are Foreign"

A father that that respects his kids; that's great.  I respect that. 

I am perhaps less worried by WTF anyone thinks.

Now this is B.S. There are plenty of T-shirts you wouldn't wear in public. 

And you're doing a great job on this site.
Don't be offended.  I support your effort to sell merchandise.  But for the reasons I stated, I don't like the word 'Expat' on my shirt here in Ukraine, but that's just me.  I'm happy to buy one and wear it in America.

Look, I'd wear this hat in NY; but I wouldn't wear it jogging through Afghanistan, if that makes sense.

(http://www.kyknives.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/hat84.jpg&maxx=300&maxy=0)
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 16:01 09-Jun-2017

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

Look at you having a ha ha at my expense.   :D :D  Wait till Glyn expands the T-shirt line.

Just for the record I'm not going to wear that one around Ukraine either. 

Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Carlusha on 16:16 09-Jun-2017

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

Look at you having a ha ha at my expense.   :D :D  Wait till Glyn expands the T-shirt line.

Just for the record I'm not going to wear that one around Ukraine either.

You are mistaken. I was laughing at Ace's

Quote
And thats not a dig at anyone here.. more the guy who commented elsewhere that is was too expensive. I've sent him a potato and some paint.

which I find really funny ..... potato and paint ..... childhood memories. OK?

Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 16:21 09-Jun-2017
You are mistaken. I was laughing at Ace's

I'm just kidding.   :D :D  First we'll have David wear the "Old Perdun" shirts around town.  Someone has to clear the minefields.  And if all goes well, then maybe I'll wear one to Hawaii.   :D :D

Just so everyone feels better (see photo below).
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Carlusha on 16:33 09-Jun-2017
And there was me reminiscing about the potatoes and paint I used in the late 1940s under the guidance of my beloved Mother.  :( :(




 8) Peace  8)



Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: David Rochlin on 02:01 10-Jun-2017
You are mistaken. I was laughing at Ace's

I'm just kidding.   :D :D  First we'll have David wear the "Old Perdun" shirts around town.  Someone has to clear the minefields.  And if all goes well, then maybe I'll wear one to Hawaii.   :D :D

Just so everyone feels better (see photo below).

Oddly, people on the street often do ask me for directions, particularly in Odessa, but one person did in Kyiv on the visit I just completed.   Sometimes I can even help...   The problem is that scammers are real experts on identifying foreign clothing and I can't bring myself to wear all black or adopt Ukrainian styles completely.   

Since I am brought into it:
I am not sure I understand what expat is intended to mean here?  By definition, an expat is someone who lives either temporarily or permanently in a foreign country.  Some people tend to use the word to identify guest workers of various stripes.   If you live away from your nation of birth and get citizenship abroad, perhaps that means you are no longer an expat, although that might still be a gray area and some would still say you are an expat at least under some circumstances.  I get that there is some humor involved.  Maybe it's too subtle for me.  It wouldn't be the first time, for sure.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Carlusha on 08:27 10-Jun-2017
WHAT IS AN EXPAT?

Let's compromise. It's far healthier.

We know for a fact that many members are NOT full time residents for one reason or another. In fact, many have not even set foot in Ukraine. As we all know, the definition of an expatriate refers to someone living outside their native country.

An expat for argument's sake shall henceforth refer to any member of the Expatua forum.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 09:19 10-Jun-2017


Expat has a normal meaning elsewhere -- for example Ernest Hemingway was an 'expat.'

Problem is here it sounds too much like 'Sexpat' and that's how some Ukrainians hear and read it.  They imagine drunk men from foreign lands on dating tours with hookers on their laps.

We should have a thread to talk about that -- 'sexpat' was always a poor choice, but became common (not because of this site, but it did). 
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Carlusha on 09:51 10-Jun-2017

Problem is here it sounds too much like 'Sexpat' and that's how some Ukrainians hear and read it.  They imagine drunk men from foreign lands on dating tours with hookers on their laps.

We should have a thread to talk about that -- 'sexpat' was always a poor choice, but became common (not because of this site, but it did).


Depends upon one's thoughts at any given time.

Granted, the drunk men from foreign lands do exist but are easily identified and avoided, especially here in Odessa.

We do have a topic in which one may talk about "sex" and "sexpats" if one has anything of interest to post or share.


Expat Ukraine Forum ? Expatriate Cafe ? Posting for postings sake (http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?board=63.0)

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Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Fraucha on 10:39 10-Jun-2017
I don't think expat has a negative connotation, or maybe it does depending on the city you live in.  Some of you have expressed concern wearing that word on your chest as if you are a target. If that is the case, then, respectfully, you live in the wrong place/city/town.  Crap in my town I am pretty damn sure even the best English speakers don't even know what that word means. My guess it is the same in most of Ukraine.

Some have expressed concern that it sounds too much like sexpat...I guess it would if you come from a city of whores who prey on the idiot guys who come to prey on the girls.

Or maybe, some of you are afraid to wear a shirt that is in proper English, as that will for sure paint a target on you. I would suggest then at least the t-shirt have a graphic of a target printed on the back just for poops and giggles. So you are an expat who lives in fear? Then, why do you stay here???

I would not have a problem wearing this shirt, as I am sure Reggie is ready to order his special green shirt!! :-D

 I am an expat. I live here.
I hate your Fraking Borscht,
     but I like your salo.
   Deal with it and STFU.
         p.s. Frak the Kremlin-based midget

Yeah I would wear that!!

Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 12:35 10-Jun-2017

Fraucha, I like you.  And you make some good points.  And some blah blah blah too.  Okay, here it is.

With this point below, I think you hit the nail on the head.  It does probably depend what city you are in.  I'm not surprised that in smaller towns or villages they don't know the word 'expat' or 'sexpat.'  That makes sense.

Some have expressed concern that it sounds too much like sexpat...I guess it would if you come from a city of whores who prey on the idiot guys who come to prey on the girls.

However, I'm sure in bigger cities like Odessa, where dating-tours of drunken men are sitting around with whores on their laps, people will know that word.  I don't know much about Odessa, but since that is a common and established business, and a part of their local economy, I'm sure some people care about the 'expats' and some people don't.  A bit like Amsterdam.   And then you have all the other cities in-between.

So you are an expat who lives in fear?

Three points: 

1.  I write under my real name here; I have my real email address posted on my page here (not open to a select few, but to the general public); and a search will show my picture is up here too.  It would be easy for me to say to others "so you are an expat that lives in fear" -- but I don't, because people protect their privacy online, because let's face it, there are creepy people that come here from time.  I could play the role of Captain America too, and imply others are pussies for not putting up their real information, but I don't because it's wrong.

2.  The problem with the word 'Expat', in some cities and contexts, is that for some Ukrainians it basically means "Traveling-Foreign-Pedophile."  That's the subjective connotation (what the word invokes for some Ukrainians in addition to its literal or primary meaning).  I wouldn't wear a T-shirt in New York that says "I'm not a pedophile."  It's not really about "fear," but taste.

3.  When traveling; sometimes it's prudent to try to identify as little as possible as a foreigner.  For some it's just a matter of being clever to avoid hassles that go along with it.     

why do you stay here???

Why should staying in Ukraine be dependent on being willing to wear this particular T-shirt?  Come on; isn't that going a bit overboard?  That's just a dumb comment on so many levels.   People could say the same to you: "Why do you stay here when you don't write under your real name?" But nobody does, because it's silly.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: David Rochlin on 13:59 10-Jun-2017
Lot's of Ukrainians and now Americans too, wear Tees that have nonsense English words on them.  This is now a bonafide fashion trend that originated in countries like Haiti and the Philippines as a result of American fashion companies donating all defective shirts with nonsense printed on them to be distributed by aid orgs, in the Third World.   
So, English words on a shirt, in of themselves should not make you a target.  It might have been less conspicuous if it also had been a cammo shirt...
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Fraucha on 15:11 10-Jun-2017

why do you stay here???

Why should staying in Ukraine be dependent on being willing to wear this particular T-shirt?  Come on; isn't that going a bit overboard?  That's just a dumb comment on so many levels.   People could say the same to you: "Why do you stay here when you don't write under your real name?" But nobody does, because it's silly.

Well I get what you are saying but the 'Why do you stay here?' is a question for someone who lives in fear....I feel if you are so much afraid to wear that shirt then really, why would you stay here? Why would you by choice stay in a place that you are afraid to say or be who you are?   I most likely should have rewrote that sentence. Also, I was being a dick, so....yeah, that may be it too!
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: kyivkpic on 15:47 10-Jun-2017
All good stuff but as someone who regularly wears a T Shirt saying "My children are Foreign" I am perhaps less worried by WTF anyone thinks.

But - by all means - please, all open your own T Shirt shops... and forums come to think of it.... And thats not a dig at anyone here.. more the guy who commented elsewhere that is was too expensive. I've sent him a potato and some paint.
 
8)

LOL
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 17:33 10-Jun-2017
I most likely should have rewrote that sentence. Also, I was being a dick, so....yeah, that may be it too!

Nah, don't worry about it.  No big deal. Winter is the time for everyone to get grumpy, now is the good weather season.  Just home from supermarket, I'll open up a cold one in your honor.   Peace and Love.

Why would you by choice stay in a place that you are afraid to say or be who you are?   

Come on Fraucha.  Nobody accuses me of not being myself.  Usually I get requests like, "Hey can you be more like . . . ."   :D :D  By having an opinion about the T-shirt, I am being myself.  It's the problem with lawyers; for each lawyer you have to factor in 6 different opinions.  :D :D

We are wild.  Poor Ace.  One image of a T-shirt and we give him a treatise on outerwear.  Sincere apologies. 
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Fraucha on 05:41 11-Jun-2017
I most likely should have rewrote that sentence. Also, I was being a dick, so....yeah, that may be it too!

Nah, don't worry about it.  No big deal. Winter is the time for everyone to get grumpy, now is the good weather season.  Just home from supermarket, I'll open up a cold one in your honor.   Peace and Love.

Why would you by choice stay in a place that you are afraid to say or be who you are?   

Come on Fraucha.  Nobody accuses me of not being myself.  Usually I get requests like, "Hey can you be more like . . . ."   :D :D  By having an opinion about the T-shirt, I am being myself.  It's the problem with lawyers; for each lawyer you have to factor in 6 different opinions.  :D :D

We are wild.  Poor Ace.  One image of a T-shirt and we give him a treatise on outerwear.  Sincere apologies.

We haven't touched on Men's Lingerie yet, and I hope NOT to. :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Kord on 09:43 11-Jun-2017
Oh Fraucha, methinks thou protest too much.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Kord on 12:21 11-Jun-2017
I don't think expat has a negative connotation, or maybe it does depending on the city you live in.  Some of you have expressed concern wearing that word on your chest as if you are a target. If that is the case, then, respectfully, you live in the wrong place/city/town.  Crap in my town I am pretty damn sure even the best English speakers don't even know what that word means. My guess it is the same in most of Ukraine.

Some have expressed concern that it sounds too much like sexpat...I guess it would if you come from a city of whores who prey on the idiot guys who come to prey on the girls.

Or maybe, some of you are afraid to wear a shirt that is in proper English, as that will for sure paint a target on you. I would suggest then at least the t-shirt have a graphic of a target printed on the back just for poops and giggles. So you are an expat who lives in fear? Then, why do you stay here???

I would not have a problem wearing this shirt, as I am sure Reggie is ready to order his special green shirt!! :-D

 I am an expat. I live here.
I hate your Fraking Borscht,
     but I like your salo.
   Deal with it and STFU.
         p.s. Frak the Kremlin-based midget

Yeah I would wear that!!

Funny, reminds of my idea to go ahead and wear a shirt with a target(s) printed on it with "Place label here" to help the slow ones keep up.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: julienp on 15:37 11-Jun-2017
WHAT IS AN EXPAT?
It's an immigrant, but a bit more white, a bit more wealthy and with a bit more options to go back "home"
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Kord on 17:44 11-Jun-2017
WHAT IS AN EXPAT?
It's an immigrant, but a bit more white, a bit more wealthy and with a bit more options to go back "home"
That is a stereotype and not at all accurate. Caucasians (a person from the Caucasus.
"the Caucasians of Southern Russia") are not white skinned (more cappuccino skin , nor are the many African people who settled here. Not sure about their financial status but I don't think many wealthy expats are standing in schwarma stands day in and day out or selling sneakers in the local bazaar. Just because there is an option to go home does not necessarily mean it should be considered. Out of the drying pan and in to the fire sometimes.

I'm from US and white as Wonder Bread. I walk by the rows of sweet cars and think "Crap I'm so poor I can't even afford a car."  :(  :D
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: cc3 on 20:32 11-Jun-2017
I think of my status here in UA as not so much an 'expat' but as a 'refugee'... from USA political correctness.

 8)

Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: julienp on 06:24 12-Jun-2017
WHAT IS AN EXPAT?
It's an immigrant, but a bit more white, a bit more wealthy and with a bit more options to go back "home"
That is a stereotype and not at all accurate. Caucasians (a person from the Caucasus.
"the Caucasians of Southern Russia") are not white skinned (more cappuccino skin , nor are the many African people who settled here. Not sure about their financial status but I don't think many wealthy expats are standing in schwarma stands day in and day out or selling sneakers in the local bazaar. Just because there is an option to go home does not necessarily mean it should be considered. Out of the drying pan and in to the fire sometimes.
I think that's my point exactly... Would you ever call these "Southern Russia caucasians" Expat ? Or immigrant ? (if they are poor & can't even go back home)
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Tnic on 07:07 12-Jun-2017
I think of my status here in UA as not so much an 'expat' but as a 'refugee'... from USA political correctness.

 8)

I'd prefer to be there to irritate the PC police.  Of course triggering liberals gets a little boring after awhile as they're just so predictable.   :D
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Fraucha on 09:47 12-Jun-2017
I think of my status here in UA as not so much an 'expat' but as a 'refugee'... from USA political correctness.

 8)

I'd prefer to be there to irritate the PC police.  Of course triggering liberals gets a little boring after awhile as they're just so predictable.   :D

Liberals are the biggest frigging sorest losers I have ever seen anywhere. I am ashamed that I am an American just for their Fraked-up antics after they LOST because they are Fraking losers boo-Frakin-hoo!  Even more ashamed than having Obama in office....and that was pretty bad as I LEFT THE COUNTRY.


So ...
Salo, Pol Pot, Hammered Dulcimer
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Kord on 09:59 13-Jun-2017
WHAT IS AN EXPAT?
It's an immigrant, but a bit more white, a bit more wealthy and with a bit more options to go back "home"
That is a stereotype and not at all accurate. Caucasians (a person from the Caucasus.
"the Caucasians of Southern Russia") are not white skinned (more cappuccino skin , nor are the many African people who settled here. Not sure about their financial status but I don't think many wealthy expats are standing in schwarma stands day in and day out or selling sneakers in the local bazaar. Just because there is an option to go home does not necessarily mean it should be considered. Out of the drying pan and in to the fire sometimes.
I think that's my point exactly... Would you ever call these "Southern Russia caucasians" Expat ? Or immigrant ? (if they are poor & can't even go back home)

I see what you are saying. Good point.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Aussieuke on 03:38 15-Jun-2017
I noted the idea and find it useful in some measure. To those who object or look for alternatives like something in Ukrainian why not travel to Ukraine and buy yourself a t-shirt with Ukrainian print on it.I have a Kozatskumu Rodu t-shirt with Hymn for Ukraine on the back which I wear to the local shopping mall.Eye catching with the menacing Kozak on the front and every now and then a question from people walking up behind asking what language is that.Then again, I live in Australia which is as multicultural as they come with expats everywhere.So not uncommon to see differing signage on shirts.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Fraucha on 04:20 15-Jun-2017
I noted the idea and find it useful in some measure. To those who object or look for alternatives like something in Ukrainian why not travel to Ukraine and buy yourself a t-shirt with Ukrainian print on it.I have a Kozatskumu Rodu t-shirt with Hymn for Ukraine on the back which I wear to the local shopping mall.Eye catching with the menacing Kozak on the front and every now and then a question from people walking up behind asking what language is that.Then again, I live in Australia which is as multicultural as they come with expats everywhere.So not uncommon to see differing signage on shirts.

Because most of the crap we buy HERE in Ukraine has screwed up Chinglish on it.
Title: Re: Expat T Shirt
Post by: Reggie on 04:22 15-Jun-2017
Because most of the crap we buy HERE in Ukraine has screwed up Chinglish on it.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/ab/56/68ab563b740ae69d3f60dfb60afe2a38.jpg)

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/funny-english-translations-t-shirt-fail-asia-broken-engrish-fb2__700-png.jpg)