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Title: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 22:18 03-Mar-2018
2018 Warning - Men in Western Europe Dating Ukrainian Females:
Relating to Relaxed Visa Regime.


In the past two weeks (a relatively short time frame), there have been more than a half-dozen complaints about Ukrainian women traveling to Western Europe and scamming the men there.  This number was reported only in a small business group here -- so understand that  if extrapolated to the general public, it is a huge rise in Ukrainian led scams in Western Europe

I want to stress that it should not be though of as a low number of scams, but that in all likelihood is a really strong uptick in scamming, and seems to have occurred suddenly; it has turned a lot of heads among some friends and colleagues that I have discussed this with; they all seem to agree. 

My opinion, the new visa scheme has opened the doors for this.  It's a rational and obvious inference.   

Some of the Countries Being Scammed:

1. Sweden
2. Italy
3. Germany
4. France
5. to a lesser extent The Netherlands.

Here is how it works.  She will try to use you as a platform for subsidizing her relocation to Western Europe OR as her credit card to pay for a vacation OR scam you out of airfare and not show.

You will be her bank account, travel agent, employment bureau, taxi service.  You will wine and dine her in what for is actually a relocation scam or travel scam.

She will lie to you about the other countries she has visited or will be visiting (sometimes on the same trip!).  They only need an iPhone and only have to open their legs for 15 or 20 min. here or there to pull of the scam.  Sorry to be blunt, but that's what it is.  Very low output required for high returns.

She will lie to you about: her husband, her boyfriend(s) back in Ukraine or elsewhere, whether she has kids, the number of kids, her education, her home town in Ukraine, whether she is a widow/divorced. 

When she is done using you, she will left you drift off wondering if there was some natural distance created in the relationship and that you just 'grew apart.'  They do this to decrease the chances of an angry outburst or quarrel by men who discover what is really going on. 

Some of these girls will sleep with you or give you some form of sexual relief (use your imagination if you need to).  Some may not show up at all.  Some will show up, and then run off to other boyfriends that you effectively paid for them to visit.  Some will string you along for a long time, hoping for repeat trips.  Bottom line: you probably paid for someone's European vacation and played host and travel guide to make it a luxury experience, for (at most)  a meaningless blow job or quick-&-lazy screw.

A friend of a friend just caught one of these ladies in Amsterdam, as in caught today!  She is there right now; was visiting another boyfriend, and has a husband back in Ukraine waiting for her.

I have asked for photos of these ladies, and I will post a couple of them as I get them.   

The first one is Tania, thirty-two years old.  Boyfriend in Italy and Sweden; gets airfare between Ukraine-Sweden-Italy.  If somebody in Sweden or Italy who is a member here knows this one, speak up.  She is looking as a man as a platform to move to Western Europe, nothing more, and is good at playing different men and coordinating her travel. 

 
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: K24 on 07:53 04-Mar-2018
So where do these people meet these wonderful women?
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 08:20 04-Mar-2018
more than half a dozen? You mean 7 idiots who fell for a gold digger with some good pussy?

Caveat emptor.

You have to be pathetic to fall in love with these girls and I would think most guys understand they're paying for that blowjob or quick screw. Either they don't care because they can afford it or a fool and his money are soon parted.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 09:27 04-Mar-2018
You have to be pathetic to fall in love with these girls

Why all the judgment?

If you have never seen a situation remotely like this with your own eyes, just chalk it up to luck.

You mean 7 idiots

Not sure why someone that was targeted for a scam in the courtship process automatically becomes an idiot in your mind?

It's a small business group; where I know a couple of the people.  When the topic came up and a high % of the single men from Western Europe, and even people they know from Western Europe, report being targeted in recent months; it's something to talk about. 

There's no scientific polling relating to dating scams (or really anything in Ukraine); it's all word of mouth. 

And this information comes from some people I talk to and deal with; and know. 

They implemented the visa program, and these scammers are pouring in to Western Europe.  Luckily, America, Australia, and Canada are too far away and unrealistic for some of them, so we will see less of them.

You're married like I'm married; luckily we dodged a bullet. 

But I see no need for self-righteous moralizing about the bad luck visited upon some single man looking to start a family in Italy or Sweden.  You need that to feel better about yourself?
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 09:46 04-Mar-2018
So where do these people meet these wonderful women?

Free singles sites here and Western Europe (see e.g. "I dot ua").

And sometimes from contact in the career environment - pretty girl makes contact, a few sweet flirtations, and it is off to the races.

Another photo: This one is called "Lessy" (Lassie?) and is in Amsterdam now; just a travel scammer looking to relocate herself and kid.  Seriously, nothing about her appearance screams out scammer to me. 

But hey, she's standing on Dutch soil unloading her games this very second. 

 
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 11:20 04-Mar-2018
I just think all is fair in love and war and you do have to be kind of stupid to fall for these scams.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 11:40 04-Mar-2018
I just think all is fair in love and war and you do have to be kind of stupid to fall for these scams.

Perhaps the dumbest thing written here, ever.

Do you know how many requests for help I get, even from the members here?

"Help Reg, she's screwing the yoga instructor;  she won't let me see my kids and didn't list me as the father; she wants to take the house and move her boyfriend in; she's still secretly married; she disappeared for 2 weeks while I was having surgery; she is talking to her ex boyfriends on VK." 

 Big, big list: even among the members here who have stayed in Ukraine and have not bolted to return home.

The reason most don't write these types of problems publicly is (1) they know some self-righteous and moralizing dick will use their plight to embarrass or humiliate them; and (2) they know I generally can be trusted to help and will keep the details of their problem confidential.

Okay, you're a star, I hope you get a gold medal for never being targeted by a romance scam. 

But let me tell you, if it happens to you, and I hope it does not, you will be among the first to run here and require someone to hold your hand and tell you it will be ok.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: K24 on 13:10 04-Mar-2018
So where do these people meet these wonderful women?

Free singles sites here and Western Europe (see e.g. "I dot ua").

And sometimes from contact in the career environment - pretty girl makes contact, a few sweet flirtations, and it is off to the races.

Surprised about "contact in the career environment" because the more a girl has a good job, the less the financial need for this
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 15:08 04-Mar-2018
I just think all is fair in love and war and you do have to be kind of stupid to fall for these scams.

Perhaps the dumbest thing written here, ever.

Do you know how many requests for help I get, even from the members here?

"Help Reg, she's screwing the yoga instructor;  she won't let me see my kids and didn't list me as the father; she wants to take the house and move her boyfriend in; she's still secretly married; she disappeared for 2 weeks while I was having surgery; she is talking to her ex boyfriends on VK." 

 Big, big list: even among the members here who have stayed in Ukraine and have not bolted to return home.

The reason most don't write these types of problems publicly is (1) they know some self-righteous and moralizing dick will use their plight to embarrass or humiliate them; and (2) they know I generally can be trusted to help and will keep the details of their problem confidential.

Okay, you're a star, I hope you get a gold medal for never being targeted by a romance scam. 

But let me tell you, if it happens to you, and don't hope it does not, you will be among the first to run here and require someone to hold your hand and tell you it will be ok.

Playing nasty games with a man's children is another matter but as for guys who get milked for some honey by a cheating whore. A man can't blame anyone but himself for that. Women can be devious and men can be stupid and vice versa.

I'm not a romantic or sentimental person and I grew up with sisters. I am impervious to feminine beguilement.

Don't be a sappy dope and don't confuse love with an erection. It doesn't surprise me that a large number of people have relationship problems. I just don't understand why you are so concerned about some cheating whores and the guys who fall for them?
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 15:55 04-Mar-2018

guys who get milked for some honey by a cheating whore. A man can't blame anyone but himself for that.

 I am impervious to feminine beguilement.


Nice to know Brad Pitt is among the forum members; OK Mr. Pitt, we will get your autograph later.   :D

I hope your ideas are inspired by a few sips of Sunday cognac and not by any sort of standardized thought process.

Now for the 60-90% facing divorce in Ukraine (depending on who you ask) ... and the regular joes who do not have the impenetrable defenses to romance scams that Mr. Pitt has: 

Quote
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" If the average percentage in Ukraine is 60%, then in the western regions it is 30%, and in the southern and eastern regions it reaches 70%, and sometimes exceeds 80%. Kiev - 50% "

http://www.spirit-ua.com/obyavleniya/semya/75-supruzheskix-par-v-ukraine-razvodyatsya-uzhe-v-pervye-pyat-let-sovmestnoj-zhizni.html


(https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Brad-Pitt-2-620x387.jpg)

Of course Mr. Pitt, these sorts are problems are only for the low-life idiots.
( The sad part is that some of these Hollywood studs have also been jacked around.)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 16:01 04-Mar-2018
I just think all is fair in love and war and you do have to be kind of stupid to fall for these scams.

There are a lot of men out there who are seriously looking, but have never been exposed to this sort of thing.  Are some of them losers?  Yes, some are, but most are looking for a wife and get caught up in the hot pics and lose their footing.  Some are the stereotypical old, fat, baldies who couldn?t get a date with a bag lady and they fall for the scams the most.

It was a scammer that launched my own search for an FSU wife.  Fortunately I didn?t fall for it, though I WAS hoping it was real.  I kept hearing those old PSAs ?never send money to someone you don?t know? and I fell out of my chair laughing when the request for money came in.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 16:05 04-Mar-2018

Bottom Line:   In the courtship process, you have to have some blind trust.   You just do.  And that's what is being exploited. 

Makes no difference if you are Brad Pitt, or a Pirate that hasn't showered in 20 years; there has to be some blind trust to get things moving.

She wants to come and visit; she has no money for the ticket; it's Christmas time.  Not really rocket science to see how people can get roped into something like that.


Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 16:17 04-Mar-2018
Lady #1

This one is "Marina," as you can see from her photo she was getting her "fiance" to fly her to L.A., when the other man (#2) in Germany found out.  (Seems like Winter is a time for them to increase this activity.)

I'll make an observation: She doesn't look like a whore (some scammers have a 'look'). 

Very easy to hide bad motives.  I can easily see how someone might have thought this lady might make a good partner.

But, as it turns out, she was jacking a couple of dudes to get free vacations and travel abroad.

Lady #2

Don't know the name of this one.  But I know the man involved.  He was thinking with his heart (not his dick).  She took a few photos (yes those types) and selfies in another man's car in Paris, on the same trip.   

Again, nothing screams out scammer on first viewing of these ladies. 

Makes sense: What do they get in those letter writing agencies for scamming some man?  A few hundred UAH?   Here, they can get travel abroad ($2-4k) by freelancing and a platform for relocating to the EU (if you are unlucky to be chosen by them).


Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 17:39 04-Mar-2018
I'm not Brad Pitt but I'm not ugly, not yet even middle aged and I haven't been in the dating game for a long time so yes these scams do seem kind of funny to me.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 21:24 04-Mar-2018
I'm not Brad Pitt but I'm not ugly

OK.  Do you realize you just told a bunch of dudes that you are not ugly? 
If this was Happy Hour, I'd have to tell the bartender to cut you off. 

Listen, some European guys that had/have hopes of having a family got scammed; that's all. 
We just want to make sure no more get scammed.

You're beautiful.  We love you.  Now just drink ginger ale or water, and take a few deep breaths.  You're handsome, we know.  Relax.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: sosednik on 01:41 05-Mar-2018
Reggie,

It's deeply kind of you to have worked as a "sounding board" (if not more) for guys who've gotten into such miserable situations.

On a different forum, I learned some very grim stories of men who had discovered too late that they had found the worst kind of vampire.
_________________________________

The real innovation here, is that they are now coming to the victims' home countries to scam them ... it used to be, the poor guy first had to come to Ukraine to get this kind of treatment :(
_________________________________

I've got a funny story, relating to the oft-repeated warning "NEVER send money to a woman you haven't met" ... a year or so ago, my Ukrainian brother-in-law showed me photos of a brunette with a beautiful smile (from another part of Ukraine) he had found on a dating website.  When it was clear to me that he was really interested in her, I said (using my school-boy Russian), "be careful, maybe she's going to ask you for a thousand dollars!"

Within a couple of weeks, I heard that ... she had asked him for $1000.  Part of what makes this funny, is that he's a village muzhik who's probably never seen that much money at one time.  The other funny part, is that he didn't let this bother him, and he soon went to visit her town, and before long she came to live with him.  Well ... it's a little funny.  She's a real "piece of work"  ::)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Kord on 09:28 05-Mar-2018


Listen, some European guys that had/have hopes of having a family got scammed; that's all. 
We just want to make sure no more get scammed.

It happens. Part of the game.

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/b3/56/7e/b3567e27ee299e4de712fc26b75974d6--the-player-the-games.jpg)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 10:12 05-Mar-2018
Reggie,

It's deeply kind of you to have worked as a "sounding board" (if not more) for guys who've gotten into such miserable situations.


Thanks.

Here's how it came to be.

As a joke (you know my style!), I said a while back that I would make my own dating service (of course full of comical and slightly vulgar but hopefully funny and fun advice).   :D :D. "Reggie the Love Guru"  :D :D. Right?  OK.

So it started off as a big joke.  Then a few people said, no, you really should do that.  Of course, I'm not going to make a website for anyone to meet or date women, but a kind of humorous blog of 'what to expect' and 'how to be careful' type of thing, for free, and with humor, ok. 

So little by little it stopped being a joke.  I started to do this, and I asked men here and elsewhere to help me write it.   It's underway -- it's really ghetto blog, nothing professional about it, but I started it.  (You will probably see some of what you see in this thread on there.).  When published I'll drop a note about it.

I ask men to give other men, tips and advice about this subject.  So if you, or anyone else, wants to contribute, just PM me.  It's easy: You just write a short squib.

It's starting to work out well because what I find is that men get embarrassed talking about these subjects publicly, so a lot of good info about this topic gets under-reported.  You will see a high readership interest among men about these types of topics, but a very low participation rate.  It makes sense: Some feel it's less 'manly' to admit you were sex-scammed; and people get embarrassed about their private lives being the target for amusement and criticism.  I don't have have that problem: I just don't get embarrassed about this type of stuff, so other men can contribute anonymously through me, without their business reputation or ego getting dented-up. 

So, in the process of starting this *blog* (or whatever it will be when finished), when I brought it up among some friends here; the single Western European men all had the same story (or they had a friend in Western Europe that had the same story); which was very weird.   So, over the winter months, these ladies would 'fall in love' with guys from Europe, and try to get free trips to visit them.  A big, big surge of this activity. 

So it occurred to me that the new relaxed visa system has opened the floodgates.  Now what we are seeing are seasonal sex scams; it seems more during the cold winter months where the lady has some vacation days; she is looking to be flown to the EU, wined and dined, taken care of, and *poof* she's gone unless and until she wants another trip. 

Remember this whole dating scam thing is a Billion Dollar industry in a Ukraine. 

One of our members here (I certainly won't say who or give any identifying details) had a huge version of this problem here over the winter months, even the police were called several times, and the wife (and new boyfriend) were trying to wrestle away the apartment he bought.  There's also a kid involved.  Really bad situation, and this is in one of the smaller towns.  So, kind of out in the boondocks without too many people to turn to for help. 

These are issues that are important to talk about and learn from.  It's a big, big part of living in Ukraine.  If you think about it, the TRP is just means to end, for living with a lady here.  The living here with a lady part is the meat and potatoes of it all; the TRP is the soup or salad. 
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 10:59 05-Mar-2018
"Sponsorship"

One more thing:

The ladies in Ukraine have their own jargon for describing this type of activity. 

[ Look at the advertisement below for some clues ]

They don't call it being a "whore," "hooker," "scam artist," ....  Of course, they don't use the words we use.

They call it ... get ready for it ...SPONSORSHIP (Key Word Alert!).

So, you are either a knowing or unknowing "Sponsor" of a lady.  That's how it is justified as being normal and not exploitative (in their corrupt little brains).

Scan some of the dating ads - they give away their understanding of the prevalence of this game: It has its own name.

They all know this.  The problem is the men all don't know it, because as men, we tend not to talk about it.

Believe me: They are all having dialogue on their own social media sites about "Sponsorship" and "The New Visa Regime".  They are light years ahead of us in understanding what's going on.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: sosednik on 21:48 05-Mar-2018
Reggie,

I believe you are spot-on about men being reluctant to open up about these kinds of painful situations, especially in environments where "machismo" rises to the surface and an admission of problems (especially concerning relationships with women) is likely to get shame-stormed.

I was intermittently involved in the international dating tangle over a period of about 7 years.  I think Tnic has also accumulated some experience.  I'll ponder what I learned that might be useful for others, in hopes of making a contribution.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 07:15 06-Mar-2018
Reggie,

I believe you are spot-on about men being reluctant to open up about these kinds of painful situations, especially in environments where "machismo" rises to the surface and an admission of problems (especially concerning relationships with women) is likely to get shame-stormed.

I was intermittently involved in the international dating tangle over a period of about 7 years.  I think Tnic has also accumulated some experience.  I'll ponder what I learned that might be useful for others, in hopes of making a contribution.

I have indeed, mostly positive ones.  It pays to learn to spot the signs.

I?m so used to screwing up, telling others about em is no big deal.  I?d like to think I?m wiser for it, but well...  :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 11:24 06-Mar-2018
Reggie,

I believe you are spot-on about men being reluctant to open up

Let me tell you another thing:  The scam industry pulls in somewhere between several hundred million dollars per year and  a billion dollars; and that's only in Ukraine.  Think about that.

So someone's getting scammed, right?  (No great detective work needed for that.)

And you know those Nigerian scammers we always talk about ('Sir, you have inherited 6 bags Gold, if ...'); They are NOT nearly as successful at it as these ladies are ... they are not even freakin' in the same league. 

 Think about that too: Are you more likely to fall for a scam from some stinky dude in Nigeria that has to go doody in a hole in the street or someone that will sleep next to you and nibble on your ear and email you bikini photos?  (Assuming you have no Nigerian scammers lying in bed with you.  :D)

Well let me tell you: The romance scam industry is HUGE ... MASSIVE ... and when they dropped the visa requirements to the EU, over Christmas,  men noticed them.   For anyone paying attention it was like watching ducks migrate during winter.  Unmistakable; the birds were in the air.   

And Europe will be a great playground for them; it will difficult for the EU to reign them in; and if things don't work out, it's a quick flight back to Kyiv.  A lot of people are about to get burned in Western Europe.

Think about it:  The Scammers can sit and wait in Odessa for a few 'sex tourists' and make a little money (from a few hundred UAH to 2000 UAH ... not big money, factoring the agency's cut, etc.) ... or they can freelance and travel to the EU (for free!  cha-ching!) and get wined and dined there, and everything that comes with it.  Also there's very little (zero?) stigma associated with this:  They don't consider themselves 'whores' or 'scammers' ... just girls that have been "Sponsored."

Think of it as hunting:

A lady can sit in the forests of Odessa, wait for the target to come to her,  and hope she bags one (and a lot of them do).

(http://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/women-hunter-feature.jpg)

Or she can take to the airs of the EU and selectively choose her targets and maximize what she hauls in (+ no agency to share $ with).

(https://naturalunseenhazards.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/heli-2.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 13:18 06-Mar-2018


Don't let them sap your precious bodily fluids.  (http://www.expatua.com/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNJ4Q9jqL8A[/url)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Carlusha on 13:24 06-Mar-2018


Don't let them sap your precious bodily fluids.
 (http://www.expatua.com/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNJ4Q9jqL8A[/url)

The forum page appears a bit iffy!!!

Try this :   

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 14:22 06-Mar-2018
I love that video of the General.  Pretty much sums up the dating scene in Ukraine.   :D

That video should be uploaded to "YouTube" under the title "General Gives Ukrainian Dating Tips."

If they ever want to make the Movie, starring the general, I found his leading lady:  Ivana Sosiski'ovich Humpalova. 

The General must disarm her iPhone before any more men in Western Europe Get Hurt.  I'd pay $10 to see that movie.


<< Diary of an online dating scam: Man seduced by 'Aleksandra' goes public to warn others>>
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-02/diary-of-an-online-dating-scam-man-seduced-by-woman-goes-public/8314968


Don't let them sap your precious bodily fluids. (http://www.expatua.com/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNJ4Q9jqL8A[/url)

For me, what's funny with the General's video, is that it's perfectly consistent with the Actual U.S. Embassy Warning about dating scams in Ukraine.  [See photo]
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 15:13 06-Mar-2018
BTW, the photo below is one of the honest ones; at least she is tell you up front what she really is after. 

The issue is the ones that don't disclose or give clues as to their real motives.

* Sent to me by one of our own Expatua users.  Really, it's not that hard to see the prevalence of this in Ukraine.

Most Western Governments are now issuing official warnings about Ukraine's romance/marriage/sex scams; they all say it is a big problem.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 15:50 06-Mar-2018
WTH was chicken girl thinking?   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 16:28 06-Mar-2018
WTH was chicken girl thinking?   :D :D :D

Wait till you see the site in all of its glory!    :D

She's one of the good ones ... at least there is the offer of some food involved. 

I think she is trying to show that she will cook for her man.  It's making me horny already.    :D


Ukrainian girl exposes how some Ukrainian women scam Western Men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4kG94LJAko

[She's not thorough.  She's not efficient.  She hits on some of the key points and leaves a lot out. But hey, she's old enough to be the daughter of most of the men here, and she gets it; she sees and understands the scams clearly.]
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: K24 on 19:05 06-Mar-2018
This is a forum on Ukraine.  And therefore we should of course talk about Ukraine here.  :) Nevertheless, just as an aside comment, it might be worth to keep in mind that these romance scams are nothing unique to Ukraine.  The same can for example be found in many of the typical mail-order bride destinations.  And of course it is also not only women who play these games, but also men.  Just the countries and target groups are different.

... but as said:  This is of course a forum about Ukraine.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 21:43 06-Mar-2018
these romance scams are nothing unique to Ukraine.

It's one of those statements that is vague.  And, without saying more, can be on the empty side.  Sorry.

The quick and dirty version.  Look:  Your statement is like saying there is pickpocketing in every country.  There is. 
But if you go to Brazil, you will see it is on another level; it has its unique characteristics; it has its unique times, places and targets.


I'll de-construct it.    There are romance scams in other countries.  It's true.  But we learned nothing by just saying that.

However, there are features that are unique to Ukraine (and to other Former Soviet Union Countries). 
Generally, we don't care about the type of romance scams in Afghanistan (because it's not relevant to us; we're in Ukraine, right?  That's why we are talking about Ukraine).

So let's ask a few questions, and unpack your statement:

-- If a German or Frenchman moves to America, Canada or the UK, will he be targetted by romance scams to the degree that occurs in Ukraine?   No, not even freakin' close. 

[All daydreamers that believe this should take a nap if that's the case because in Ukraine it is a huge part of the economy.]

-- Are American, British, Australian ladies writing letters to men in Canada, Cambodia or Russia trying to get their money? 
No.  However, that style of scam is unique to the Ukrainian experience.

-- Are American, British, Australian ladies, by the tens of thousands, trying to use men in Germany to get an EU passport and then ditch the guys?  No.  However, that that style of scam is unique to the Ukrainian experience.

-- Are organized crime groups in the U.S. using ladies to send requests for Western Union payments to men in Sweden? No.

-- Are British government officials involved in profiting from a romance industry built on lies and scams?  No, but in Ukraine that is the case.  * Industries that profit from bride seekers: hotels, discos, taxi companies, meeting halls, etc. are owned by Ukrainian government officials.

-- If the type of romance scams, including their sheer number were occurring in Canada or the U.S., would a law enforcement agency (like the FBI) get involved?  Absolutely, yes.

Jesus Christ: Western Governments issue warnings about sex and romance scams in Ukraine.  That's how bad it is!  They are the same type of warnings they issue about drug cartels in Columbia.  Here's the message:  "This is a big freakin' problem in Ukraine!  Be careful!"   Is it a coincidence the government of Australia, America and Canada issued the same warning?  I don't believe in fairy tales - those warnings were issued because it is a huge problem.

So, while there are romance scams in other countries, they are not exactly the same as the ones in Former Soviet Union countries.  The difference is like the difference between a grain of sand and the desert.   Romance-scams in Ukraine are more prevalent than Nigerian Email Scams.

Are there gold diggers or ladies with a nasty disposition in America?  Sure there are: some dirty, nasty, downright venomous ones too.  But generally they're trying to get big divorce settlements from Johnny Depp or the CEO of IBM Co.; they are not trying to ensnare 100,000 random Frenchmen per year to buy them airline tickets or send them Western Union payments under false pretenses.  :D

The target of the American gold digger, is her American husband; nobody else outside of U.S borders; and certainly she does not target people based on where they are citizens ("Men from the EU" / "Men From Australia").

Gold digging American ladies are mostly focused on famous or wealthy American males; and that generally relates to exploiting divorce proceedings to get a pay day.


The target of the Ukrainian gold digger is everyone outside of Ukraine's borders from a developed country.  Why is that relevant to our class of people?  Because we fit that profile.  We are the foreign men from outside of Ukraine's borders.

Ukraine's romance-scam industry, if we can call it that, is probably a bigger percentage of Ukraine's economy than the rice business is of China's economy.  And I don't say that to be funny: I literally mean it's a larger part of the economy % wise.  That's how prevalent it is.
 
Ukraine's GDP is about 80 Billion (mostly ferrous and nonferrous metals, chemicals, machinery, fuel and petroleum products, transport equipment and food products).  Now if you factor-in romance sex scam income, you will understand that it is one of, if not THE, defining part of Ukraine's economy.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 22:52 06-Mar-2018

Here's what some of the men here on Expatua have experienced (I redacted all private information):

Quote
Hello!
I'm ******* from ****** and I'm living **** city in Ukraine as of now. I've been married for more than 2.5 years.

I chose to write you because I want to know about divorce proceeding in Ukraine and I read few post and you mentioned some comments that showed you know information about it. I really need your help if you can let me know.

I've a son from my marriage and all assets that I bought were in my wife name as I didn't had PR. I was about to apply for it but things are rocky and I do not see future with my present wife so there's no point in going to OVIR with her for this.

My wife had 2 children (a daughter and a son) and her daughter lives with us and her son lives with my wife's mother.

I do not know how but I want my son's custody. She does not have a job and we're living in a small village and she cannot find a job here. I had to start to bear her other son's expenses too. Her Ex-Husband is alive but he's not doing anything for children and now after having my own son with her things are really getting nasty. It's more like blackmail and she threatens me.

I am very emotional and I cannot live without my son and as I do not understand language I can't ask anyone locally for help. I do not know what to ask in my consulate. I have started a small business for her in *****, as of today I have around 1 year TRP to live in Ukraine.

She wants that I run from here and then she can sell everything and start new life. She said this many times to my face and now it's like she behaves in a manner that for no reason argument starts. I do not want much drama or problem. I have never seen such people and I seriously do not know what to do.

Today she informed me that I'm her third husband. Before she only informed me that she married once before and her two children are from same man, but that's not true.

I caught my wife when she was pregnant writing on a dating website to some 40 odd people. She wrote all that stuff that she wrote to me.

Today in evening she called police accusing that I assaulted her I was sitting unaware about all this in my room.


Please let me know ****
Regards
*********

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 05:52 07-Mar-2018
I remember that poster.  Poor guy.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 08:12 07-Mar-2018
Reggie, you are kind of coming across as just misogynistic because you aren't making important distinctions, the same problem with the #metoo movement.

A married woman destroying a man, taking everything from him while making false police reports and accusations is a serious matter. Marrying a woman with another man's children is usually a terrible idea and that is what men should be warned about, that and how to protect their assets, especially from a wife. Love is trust, but it's stupid to not have contingency plans. 

The romance scams are just sad but if there's no harm done except to a woman's self-respect and some horny guy's wallet it is much different than the story of an idiot marrying a woman with children and donating sperm and resources to her for another one. I don't think the vast majority of Ukrainian women are whores and they would much rather have a respectful occupation or raise a family with a decent man instead of Fraking sad old western guys looking for a girl half their age. Men lie like hell too to impress them.

Claiming that Ukraine's economy is largely built on pretty girls scamming innocent western men is silly. Put up some numbers or actual percentages.

and it's not only Ukrainian women that should not be trusted, the men here too will stab you in the back and rob you blind. Finding a business partner is as difficult as finding a romantic partner.





Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 11:49 07-Mar-2018
Reggie, you are kind of coming across as just misogynistic

I am not offended that you wrote that.  And it doesn't bother me in the least. 
And I am not unfamiliar with this argument and knew it would come up.

To the contrary, I've learned that sometimes when this subject comes up there are some men, a minority, that don't want these crimes noticed or talked about, and it is actually a tell about a very standardized psychological profile relating to that man.

The Types:

1.  Older Clueless, and Happily Married:  No clue as to what is happening in the dating scene because they haver been out of it for so long.  Their opinions are no longer consistent with the facts-on-the-ground, but they still have opinions.

2.  Mommy / Sister Issues: There is a female in the family that has done / or is doing these types of things:   They don't like other men criticizing it.  It brings back bad memories; feels like an attack directed to a female in their family.

3.  Child Rearing Anxiety: They are raising a daughter, or have raised one, and are have anxiety over how she was educated. They understand she has been taught some of the wrong values; and there's anxiety associated with that.

4.  White Knight Cucks: This group of men thinks that by defending a woman, even when she is doing wrong, they are somehow a champion or become more attractive to women, neither of which are true.  And there are some men with such a damaged character that they enjoy watching other men have sex with their wife; they think other men should also take a submissive pose. 

You will see some of this last group of men even try to defend female teachers that have had sex with young male students.  All of their arguments come out: "Well when I was 10 years old, I dreamed of getting a blow job from the principal".  You've seen this psychological type, right?  "The-Great-Male-Defender-of-Women-Regardless-of-the-Crime" type.


I don't model myself based on these types of men.  If I see a crime, I see a crime.  Their psychological hang-up (just because a female is involved) is their problem.

If a person can see and understand a bank robbery, a pickpocketing, an arson; He can see and understand the misbehavior by these females.   It's as simple as that. 

The same skills of vision, hearing, observing, etc. that are needed to notice pickpocketing are the same for noticing romance-scams.  Do you trust that I can see and notice the pickpockets in Brazil?  Of course you do.  So you know there's nothing wrong with my senses of observation or ability to notice a common con in progress.

But do you know why men don't object when pickpocketing is discussed?  Or use labels like "Misogynist"? 
Because there are no "Mommy/Sister/Daughter" issues involved (see above).

In fact many females also notice the romance scams.  They can't be  "Misogynists" too - can they? 
If you ever see a situation where a man becomes a widower and has an adult daughter, and the man starts to engage in an online romance, the first one to notice the gold digger will be the adult daughter, because she understands the threat.  She knows what's up.

At any rate.  I never get embarrassed when a man brings up the  "Misogynist" word, because it is an immediate tell about them, their psychological background, and issues in their own life.

It's the men that don't want other men to notice these misbehaviors that have some sort of a hang up. 

In fact the FBI has started screening out applicants that go blind because they can't notice certain crimes because of the gender of the person involved: they screen for it, almost as a psychological defect.

Come on, both you and I know that if Brad Pitt was scamming women en mass out of airline tickets, meals/fine dining, getting them to buy him presents, duping them into thinking they had a child together to hustle apartments out from under the females ...etc.  You know what we would think of him:  What would we say about Brad's activity?   Would you call him out if he was dating your family member?   Damn right you would.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 13:16 07-Mar-2018
I don't defend such behavior and I don't think you're a misogynist. I'm probably more of one than you. I think the dynamics between men and women have gotten all screwed up since women entered the corporate world and birth control.

Ukraine does have a large numbers of gold digging whores. It's nothing new. I just don't like that you write as if men have no responsibility to not allow themselves to be manipulated and Fraked over by letting their dick override their rational thinking. This is a sexist thought but I think it much easier and likelier for a problem of responsibility to be solved by men rather than women. 

Prosecute them if you can but otherwise, the only way to stop this kind of poop is first to raise daughters to not be whores (I try to do my part) and for men to allow themselves to be manipulated by women.

And your little psychological profile. I would say I fit into the first category for the most part. I've never been in the dating scene in Ukraine and since I'm basically a native now I guess I don't like western guys coming here just for Ukrainian pussy. I in no way support whores but I do have some schadenfreude for idiots who win stupid prizes for playing stupid games.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 13:39 07-Mar-2018

I just don't like that you write as if men have no responsibility to not allow themselves to be manipulated and Fraked over by letting their dick override their rational thinking.

This is a sexist thought but I think it much easier and likelier for a problem of responsibility to be solved by men rather than women. 


In case you missed it: 

This whole thread and blog is about men becoming aware of the scams so they can avoid them.

The person that calls attention to the scams, is the person that thinks there should be more male initiative in avoiding the scams.  The whole purpose of starting a discussion of this subject among men is what?  To spot the scams and avoid.

And the person that tries to discourage females from adopting the scammers' mentality, is the person that truly loves and values women and does not want to see them go down that path.

Here's the Test: See the lady in the photo?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fsYP79ZmNiY/Wn3Q4_GodrI/AAAAAAAAB0A/RX5iXTHJvsApsMjY3zVrLJFftqxLpplxQCK4BGAYYCw/s320/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-12-21%2Bat%2B7.13.23%2BPM.png)

Put on her gear.  Wiggle your hot dog at some German grandma over the internet.  Get her to buy you airline tickets, perfumes, and dinners at restaurants.  Try to swindle some of her pension, maybe get her flat away from her.  And see what real men say.  I promise it would be the same.  So it's about equality, not sexism. 

It's actually sexism when you want to make excuses for females, but you know that if men did the same behaviors, it would unambiguously be repulsive and wrong.

Look, what would we say about you if you put on clothes like that lady and started shaking your weener over the internet to scam some money out of a German Grandma living in the EU?   OK then.

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/man-wearing-blonde-wig-and-coconut-shell-bra-portrait-picture-id200183376-001?s=170667a)

If a man was going on the internet and running these same cons, you would not jump up and down and claim 'sexism' or 'misandry' (opp. of 'misogony').   Can you imagine some dude getting free airline tickets and perfumes doing this? 

(http://www.ahlanlive.com/sites/default/files/styles/artcle_big_picture/public/images/2013/08/14/Empress%20ladies%20night%20-%20%2823%29_1.JPG?itok=FVVMVTJf)

So you need to explore, within your own value system, why you think it's okay for these ladies to behave as they do.

If Leroy "the Stud Muffin" was manipulating your granny to start buying him airline tickets and send parts of her pension to him, what are you going to say?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4qLsQhrSMXg/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 16:46 07-Mar-2018
Reggie I think we're misunderstanding each other.

I've never condoned or excused whorish behavior. You're just not funny  :-*

Bill burr says it best about the epidemic of gold-digging whores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA)

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.

I have no problem with warning guys about Ukrainians whores. There are gay men that sell themselves and scam rich old western men as well. People are weird and nasty and Ukraine is a group of people with few moral principles and a long history of violence and currently in a war and about to collapse again. If you're coming here to Frak around with your money or your dick, it's a bad idea. 

And tomorrow is Women's Day. We have to at least pretend to be gentleman.



Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 17:44 07-Mar-2018

And tomorrow is Women's Day. We have to at least pretend to be gentleman.


My ideas don't change because it's X Y or Z day.   

And being a gentleman means that I don't make excuses for those ladies running around and dropping romance scams on top of men's heads: it's not good for the women and it's not good for the men.

A scam is a scam: whether it's pickpocketing or a romance-scam. 

Metrosexual logic doesn't work on me: Sorry, but I don't care if the perp is wearing a tampon or not.

If this was the scammer, I'd say exactly the same thing:  it would make no difference if it's Black History month or not.

(http://straightfromthea.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/200-3.gif)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: K24 on 19:18 07-Mar-2018

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 19:47 07-Mar-2018

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?


Yes, we need to know.

My Nigerian Scammer, Chief Loquisha-Boobacala, wants to know too.   He's also blonde and has big boobies.
The chief can twerk the mustache off of a Turkish schwarma seller.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKSMR5Jpm9NsoHC/giphy.gif)

The Nigerian Chief says 'big bad white man is responsible' for his scamming.   :D


(https://data.whicdn.com/images/158169429/original.gif)

If only Ukrainian men had been nicer to Ludmilla, she wouldn't have drained my German grandpa's bank account.   
Damn those Ukrainian men for destroying gramps!!!!  :'( :'( :'( :'(

Grandpa's bed sores, empty bank account, and Ludmilla's infidelity were caused by Ukrainian men.

Ludmilla is the real victim here.  If we men -- globally, internationally and united by jerky beef snacks & dirty tennis socks -- weren't so bad, grandpa wouldn't have suffered.   

Don't worry, gramps was so small in the end, that he could live out his remaining days living in a cardboard box. 


Happy International Women's Day!!  Psssst! ;) Let's Not Talk About This Anymore! 


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/8marta.jpg)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 20:31 07-Mar-2018
Why do you think I condone scams?

I was just making fun of the typical schmuck that falls for these girls.

You're the one searching on google for a pic of a black transvestite and Chief Loquisha-Boobacala to post.

Warning to foreign men dating Ukrainian women

Firstly, what the Frak are you doing? Go back home unless you know how to detect and deal with psychopaths because there are a lot of them here of both sexes.

Here a few tips to avoid scamming whores.

1. If she doesn't speak English WELL or you don't speak fluent Russian or Ukrainian, forget it and don't complain when it comes to ruin.
2. If you're a sad old ugly or otherwise lonely guy, be aware that you can be manipulated and don't be a Fraking schmuck to a pretty psychopath.
3. Don't Frak a girl, get all mushy and then give her whatever she wants when she cries and tells a sad story. It's the OLDEST scam in history. If a girl can Frak with you just by sending pictures of her tits or crotch and some sexy letters in bad English, you are really Fraking stupid. You can find plenty of free porn on the internet to beat off to.
4. Don't marry a girl and/or have children with a woman unless you have done serious due diligence. That should take at least 2 years.
5. If you're a typical guy who is intimidated/easily manipulated by beautiful women you are playing a dangerous game in Ukraine.

Reggie will listen to your sad story if you don't heed my advice.






.

 

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 20:36 07-Mar-2018

I was trying to talk about a social problem which Ukraine is and behaviors have causes. I also have seen the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men and it does make me have a bit of pity for them.


How is scamming justified by or related to "the way many Ukrainian women are treated by Ukrainian men"?

I didn't say it's justifiable. It's just understandable in terms of causation. Girls with alcoholic fathers and alcoholic husbands often exhibit psychopathic behavior.

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 20:37 07-Mar-2018
@ Kyivpic,

You know I love you man; Happy International Women's Day!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZdppbWDVBbL2M/giphy.gif)

Don't forget, please send my "tuition" by Western Union.   ;)  :D :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 20:46 07-Mar-2018
I hate Women's Day. I'll be working my ass off all day tomorrow to cater to the wife and little girl and I have to even give flowers to my mother-in-law.

I don't get poop on Man's day and it's not even a holiday.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 20:49 07-Mar-2018

Girls with alcoholic fathers and alcoholic husbands often exhibit psychopathic behavior.


Where does that leave men looking to date/marry Ukrainian women: 

- Do they screen-out ladies that had alcoholic fathers?  How would you suggest that?

- Is there any other cause, for these sex scams, unrelated to alcohol in your mind?

- Using the same logic, could Yanakovich say his corruption (scamming everyone in Ukraine) was caused by his alcoholic father?


Don't you think these African Scammers had it much worse than any Ukrainian?

(https://www.hackread.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nigerian-scammer-sentenced-to-12-years-in-prison-for-84k-scams.jpg)

Think about their childhood trauma: Malaria, Genital Cutting, Child Rape, Hunger, Mother believes in Voodoo, and they have to go doody in a hole in the street.

(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/552773/81798458.jpg)

There isn't a single Ukrainian woman that would swap childhood experiences with this guy.  Not one.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Carlusha on 21:27 07-Mar-2018

(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/552773/81798458.jpg)

There isn't a single Ukrainian woman that would swap childhood experiences with this guy.  Not one.



Who said? There are plenty of fish in the Black Sea and the Dnieper who might fancy that guy! In fact, they are searching for him now!

(http://newslanc.com/images/slava_babushkas7.jpg)


Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 21:31 07-Mar-2018

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


I have first dibs on Ludmilla:   ;)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mjuuJIRH1qbhaplo1_500.gif)

She grew up sniffing glue and scamming men on the internet because of her alcoholic father and being buggered by every pedophile in Zimbabwe from age 3. 

Now I understand what led to her scamming me; How could I have been so lost before?

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 21:50 07-Mar-2018

But in all seriousness, Nobody makes excuses for the Nigerian Scammers, that grew up picking food scraps out trash piles.

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8340912-3x2-940x627.jpg)

And we make up all kinds of rationalizations for a Ukrainian girl that grew up in Soviet style flat with an absent or drunk father. 

(https://news.rambler.ru/img/2017/01/05081045.407522.5407.jpg)

Why?
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 05:12 08-Mar-2018
Because it's easier to feel pity for a pretty white girl who is sexually attractive than a negro who scares me?





Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Fraucha on 05:45 08-Mar-2018
Because it's easier to feel pity for a pretty white girl who is sexually attractive than a negro who scares me?

Dude!! If that little kid in the dump scares you, you need to harden up  :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 06:16 08-Mar-2018
I hate Women's Day. I'll be working my ass off all day tomorrow to cater to the wife and little girl and I have to even give flowers to my mother-in-law.

I don't get poop on Man's day and it's not even a holiday.

Ah but our beloveds give us their loving care and attention every day and we only give them one day a year to be special.   :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 07:38 08-Mar-2018
Because it's easier to feel pity for a pretty white girl who is sexually attractive than a negro who scares me?

Dude!! If that little kid in the dump scares you, you need to harden up  :D

These kids scare me.

(http://www.accord.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/RTXM11A-1024x724.jpg)

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 08:33 08-Mar-2018

These kids scare me.

(http://www.accord.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/RTXM11A-1024x724.jpg)


I don't know if you have a son -- and I certainly don't want to make it personal if you do -- but hypothetically speaking, the chances are that a son is at much higher risk from someone like this lady below than a couple of kids holding AK47s in Zimbabwe.

A son is going to have to enter the minefield that is the modern dating world; but I doubt he will be going to Zimbabwe or Nigeria.

And a man just can't expect other men not to have opinions about these types of scammers.  In fact, these lady scammers hide behind unprincipled men that make excuses for them.  They count on that type of support.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WbVNW8yl0YQ/WqDzzZ_VaSI/AAAAAAAAB6k/d4M2NMvZsHMdp_MtaYPyAgis5onGq7DbQCK4BGAYYCw/s640/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-12-23%2Bat%2B10.13.26%2BPM.jpg)
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 14:32 08-Mar-2018
Do you think I like nasty lying whores?

I recommend men to not get married. I have repeatedly.

I actually have a very conservative point of view, that sex is dangerous and powerful and to exercise it outside of marriage is likely to end in pain and suffering. I think societies have restricted sexuality to marriage for damn good reason. What's funny is you think I'm some kind of sjw sticking up for gold digging whores, lol.

Don't Frak Ukrainians girls or any girls unless you're ready to have a child and marry them and do your job to provide and protect. That is what I expect from young men as a father, lol.

Regardless, the new sexbots are already out and with the new VR helmets, the next generation of young men are going to be dropping out of society to Frak machines instead of the hassle and messiness of human relations.

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Fraucha on 04:36 09-Mar-2018
Do you think I like nasty lying whores?
Regardless, the new sexbots are already out and with the new VR helmets, the next generation of young men are going to be dropping out of society to Frak machines instead of the hassle and messiness of human relations.

There you have it. Robots are not going to be nasty munny grubbing whores. I say: If you are looking to a Ukrainian Dating site for a girls, you are better off getting a sex robot....no heartbreak, divorce or financial burden to your credit cards. Several models to choose from including Japanese School Girl and Russian Teen.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Reggie on 10:25 09-Mar-2018

Several models to choose from including Japanese School Girl and Russian Teen.


Probably why dairy farmers are never lonely. 

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BVXJ3BMkR0Q/UEPa6cdoR2I/AAAAAAAAAd4/AC1snmQndcY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/mesin+pemerah+susu+sapi.jpg)

Imagine walking around all day with that attached to you. 

(https://i.imgur.com/eTWHeaX.gif)

Then there's the old school method.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Kord on 21:06 30-Aug-2018
Do you think I like nasty lying whores?
Regardless, the new sexbots are already out and with the new VR helmets, the next generation of young men are going to be dropping out of society to Frak machines instead of the hassle and messiness of human relations.

There you have it. Robots are not going to be nasty munny grubbing whores. I say: If you are looking to a Ukrainian Dating site for a girls, you are better off getting a sex robot....no heartbreak, divorce or financial burden to your credit cards. Several models to choose from including Japanese School Girl and Russian Teen.

Sorry to say I found this thread so late after the heated debate.

Is VR sex coming "no pun intended" in the near future to suburbs and urban centers near you?
That most definitely is (It's here). Will it be a money grubbing industry nickel and diming a growing Incel and Volcel community?
Probably (not only that segment of male population btw). My guess is it will grow economically like the laserjet/inkjet printer home printing industry.
The hardware itself will be affordable (for example an HP inkjet https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-officejet-3830-wireless-all-in-one-instant-ink-ready-printer-black/4363407.p?skuId=4363407 (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-officejet-3830-wireless-all-in-one-instant-ink-ready-printer-black/4363407.p?skuId=4363407) @ $39.99 - but the consumables will be how they get ya' - replacement ink cartridges..$ 42.99..

In the VR example once a consumer has the hardware (see below) then companies will cater to them with new videos etc. maybe even a netflix kind of VR software provider (PornFlix/VR ?)

The "Hardware" (oh god the puns just keep coming...[oops])

(https://kz1uf24aks9296cti24s4z9e-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/olivia_rd2c2_4-1416355193-897x598.jpg)

Soon Lars "I met Bianca on the Internet" won't seem so delusional. Okay maybe people won't walk around with Bianca's or Olivia's (Brads/Tom Hardys) or imagine their silicone love doll is somehow sentient but...

Lars and the Real Girl (2007)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/)

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What about when in a not do distant future Alexa and Apple Homepod AI becomes embedded in these devices and personalized like a human partner would be?
Bladerunner hinted at this...

(https://i.redd.it/otasv7q42eiz.png)

But yeah maybe better in the long run like Fraucha points out..no emotional betrayal, heartbreak, disappointment, financial drain other than what a person chooses..

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: David Rochlin on 07:17 31-Aug-2018
I believe today's top of the line, humanoid sex doll, robots, the best available commercially, cost about $18,000.  I think a Canadian brothel, featuring these babies is scheduled to open soon.  It could be that even more expensive ones are being made by University roboticists, but that would be a moonlighting, secret side gig, thing.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 12:58 31-Aug-2018
I believe today's top of the line, humanoid sex doll, robots, the best available commercially, cost about $18,000.  I think a Canadian brothel, featuring these babies is scheduled to open soon.

Looking forward, David?

Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Kord on 13:22 31-Aug-2018
I believe today's top of the line, humanoid sex doll, robots, the best available commercially, cost about $18,000.  I think a Canadian brothel, featuring these babies is scheduled to open soon.

Looking forward, David?
Aren't we all?  :D
Don't knock it 'til you try it  ;) :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: kyivkpic on 13:34 31-Aug-2018
I believe today's top of the line, humanoid sex doll, robots, the best available commercially, cost about $18,000.  I think a Canadian brothel, featuring these babies is scheduled to open soon.

Looking forward, David?
Aren't we all?  :D
Don't knock it 'til you try it  ;) :D

I'd go first but after that, no thanks. Who the Frak is going to clean them? Never put your dick where many dicks have gone before.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: David Rochlin on 16:29 31-Aug-2018
I merely try to keep abreast of these trends.
Title: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: KamNamync on 11:48 04-Aug-2019
Thanks Arbe - this is one of the types commonly called duckweed in WA and other parts of Australia.

There are other types of duckweed but mostly the problem is the fast growing ones are foreign ones.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: Tnic on 12:14 04-Aug-2019
Thanks Arbe - this is one of the types commonly called duckweed in WA and other parts of Australia.

There are other types of duckweed but mostly the problem is the fast growing ones are foreign ones.

I think someone got their forums mixed up here.
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: AkMike on 17:19 04-Aug-2019
Count down,,, the clock is ticking...    :D
Title: Re: Warning to Western European Dating Ukrainian Women
Post by: UKUA on 12:32 05-Aug-2019
Thanks Arbe - this is one of the types commonly called duckweed in WA and other parts of Australia.

There are other types of duckweed but mostly the problem is the fast growing ones are foreign ones.

Here you go ..... duckweed!