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Title: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 20:04 28-Feb-2020
I'm concerned that if it gets to the point that it's no longer quarantine, and it's just an ocean of hospital beds lined up, there will simply be little to no patience for dealing with people who can't speak Russian/Ukrainian well, as it would not be efficient to play the Google Translate etc. game. This is under the assumption that expat hospitals are already full (and/or such hospitals won't fit within the protocol of where to send infected ppl) and you're now instead stuck in some huge, chaotic facility, at best.

I tried to call an ambulance (Medikom, I believe) about 9 months ago, and the communication was such a nightmare that I ended up taking Uber or whatever, then using Google Translate once there. But in this case, of course I would want to take an ambulance (which might be overbooked/impossible anyway?), so as not to infect the driver.

So, basically, I'd like to know what to do/where to go if one suspects they are infected.

I know like 500 words tops (and grammar is practically nonexistent, so no cases/genders/etc.), am in Kyiv, and have a genetic condition that affects lungs (currently early stage asthma, I guess, but for now I'm self-medicating just by using inhalers you'd get prescribed anyway).

Hopefully others can benefit from the responses here as well, in terms of having a plan in place. Thanks
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 03:28 29-Feb-2020
You are suffering from media hype.

My lungs are worse than yours and I am not worried.

You don't need to speak Ukrainian or russian if you are worried, just have a friend translate for you at a doctor they trust to put a plan in place should you panic. In the meantime read this and do some more Google https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 04:44 29-Feb-2020
If or rather when Ukraine will get hit by large numbers of covid-19, you should not look to local hospitals, but rather go to a country where the health system is in a better shape than here
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 08:47 01-Mar-2020
The fatality rate at this point is far below the seasonal flu.
 This appears to be yet another mass media hyped up story because there isn't much for news.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 08:57 01-Mar-2020
Well, we def don't know how accurate the metrics coming from Iran and CN are
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 09:27 01-Mar-2020
You can just as easily die waiting for an Ambulance to get you to the hospital, if you speak Ukrainian or Russian, so don't worry.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 19:19 01-Mar-2020
The fatality rate at this point is far below the seasonal flu.
 This appears to be yet another mass media hyped up story because there isn't much for news.

This is entirely untrue.  Flue has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, covid-19 appears to be at least 1% which is at least 10 times higher.   >:(

Currently global death rate is 3.4% (87,474 cases, 2,990 deaths; https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6).

Current death rate in Italy is 2.0%
(1,700 cases, 34 deaths; https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/01/coronavirus-latest-updates-coronavirus-live-updates-latest-news-china-wuhan-stock-markets-update-china-iran-us-australia-south-korea-japan)

And death rate in Iran is close to 10%.

All no problem?  Really?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 19:58 01-Mar-2020
Chances of contracting flu or swine flu, or some seasonal influenza are much greater than the chances of getting the new Coronavirus.  Consequently, if you have some variant of flu, then it might not be wise to make a beeline for some hospital treating numerous Coronavirus patients, when there is such a place and they have such patients.   You are more likely to catch the disease at the hospital than anywhere else in Ukraine. 
It is really hard to judge the mortality rate as many if not most who contract it, don't report it or seek medical treatment and only a few flu patients who report having been in China are probably tested with the very few test kits available. 
There is a lot of bias in the media, though, because if you consider all forms of influenza, in the U.S., about 64,000 die of influenza each flu season.  One person has died of Coronavirus this year, but that justifies a panic and regular flu does not.
Yes, in some form, the Coronavirus will eventually spread everywhere, but: 
   Any kind of Virus, particularly the sort we are discussing, mutates rapidly, and what eventually will spread successfully in Ukraine or the U.S. will not be the same as what is going on in Wuhan. 
A rule of thumb is that viruses can either evolve to be more deadly or they can evolve to be more contagious, but not both.  That's because natural selection favors viruses that do not kill their victims.  Dead people are not the ideal Typhoid Mary(s) for a virus.  So, the virus that killed people in Wuhan is more likely to be contained, and similar versions that are more likely to spread and less likely to kill are more likely to make it to Ukraine or to America.  The chances of a weak form dominating, increase with time.  So, while we will all get Coronavirus, by the time it gets to us, it is probably going to be weaker.  In 1.5 years vaccines will be widely available.  Some laboratories have already made test batches of vaccine and will begin testing shortly.  Many countries will be testing vaccines within a few weeks.  The U.S. has already created a vaccine and it might be rushed to approval in just a year and a half or so.  Other countries with less burdensome regulation, like Israel, might have a vaccine on the market, in small batches, in less than six months.  Once an even moderately effective vaccine is available to even just the elderly, the crisis is over in the country that distributes it.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 20:10 01-Mar-2020
K24, if your numbers are correct it's still a very, very small percentage of fatalities.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 20:33 01-Mar-2020
Quite frankly I personally would not want to die of the coronavirus either as a part of a small or a big group of people dying with me.

But if you really want to do this statistically, then the outcome does not cheer one up much more either.   The reason so many people die of flu is not because flu is so deadly but because so many people get infected. 

And the reproduction number (R0) of SARS-CoV-2 is actually higher than that of flu.  Currently, the R0 for SARS-CoV-2 is estimated at about 2.2, meaning a single infected person will infect about 2.2 others, on average. By comparison, the flu has an R0 of 1.3. (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html).

If the world does not succeed to prevent the virus from spreading uncontrollably (with we are getting increasingly close to though we are fortunately not there yet), then it can well be that about 30-50% of the population gets infected as no one has immunity yet.  So you can just run some simple numbers.  Population of Italy - about 60 million.  Number infected at 30% infection rate - 18 million.  Number of fatalities with mortality rate of 1% -...  Well, I think you can see that this easily can get to rather big numbers.

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 20:34 01-Mar-2020
You are more likely to catch the disease at the hospital than anywhere else in Ukraine.

Very very true.  And another reason to get out of Ukraine if you can, if covid 19 should significantly spread here
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 01:41 02-Mar-2020
The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent?exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 03:47 02-Mar-2020
The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent?exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000

A failed attempt to manufacture the Zombie Apocalypse by the Chinese. Gotta give them props for giving it another go at it though.
Failure is only a pothole on the road to success!
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 10:20 02-Mar-2020
From Johns Hopkins about the new flu.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu?fbclid=IwAR1fxSukA5geUR81ZK05B5vLM_m0Ri53TBauu9ZbcH5omlid80NdkWmSWPU
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 11:13 02-Mar-2020
https://i.redd.it/fbp7z24uonj41.jpg (https://i.redd.it/fbp7z24uonj41.jpg)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 11:43 02-Mar-2020
From Johns Hopkins about the new flu.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu?fbclid=IwAR1fxSukA5geUR81ZK05B5vLM_m0Ri53TBauu9ZbcH5omlid80NdkWmSWPU

I have a link below also
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 07:41 03-Mar-2020
Just a reminder how things get distorted because of the media.   :(
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: youngken on 10:45 03-Mar-2020
First case has happened in Ukraine.
Chinese is facing discrimination in the world
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 11:43 03-Mar-2020
Discrimination?  Not hardly Ken. It's based on a fear of the virus, not a race of people. 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 11:46 03-Mar-2020
YoungKen,

You were asking about masks recently. Here's a mask built for two.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 12:58 03-Mar-2020
No one is mad at China Ken, this poop just happens.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 15:26 03-Mar-2020
Here you go Ken

(https://i.redd.it/fbp7z24uonj41.jpg)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 16:59 03-Mar-2020
No one is mad at China Ken, this poop just happens.

Unless there really is a Level 4 bio-weapons lab in Wuhan that had a leak..
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 17:23 03-Mar-2020
 :'(  It's sad that there have been over 3000 deaths because of this but more than 48000 have fully recovered.

From the REERL website
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 19:10 03-Mar-2020
At my Washington State Store, one employee expressed dismay that she had some possibly noticeable reaction to an Asian couple that she felt was due to fear of coronavirus.  She tried to be especially nice to them, but just felt they might have sensed this. 
Unfortunately, any excuse can fan racism.  There is some racism in most of us, good intentions notwithstanding.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 19:55 03-Mar-2020
:'(  It's sad that there have been over 3000 deaths because of this but more than 48000 have fully recovered.

From the REERL website

So what's your point? 

That if you take the ratio of 3000 and (48000 + 3000) "only" 6% die?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 02:51 04-Mar-2020
well, as the situation evolves/changes, let's keep each other updated here concerning which hospitals, ambulances, etc. expats should use, should the situation arise. the other, more general stuff, can mostly be read on reddit/googling news articles/etc.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 04:17 04-Mar-2020
Very much agree with this.  But nevertheless shocked how many people still do not seem to be familiar with the most basic facts of this crisis
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 05:46 04-Mar-2020
A bit of levity for this thread;

1) Don't lick doorknobs, shopping cart handles, or toilets. Honestly, just don't lick things at all. This goes double for random strangers, don't lick them either.

2) Keep your hands and fingers away from your face. Don't suck on your fingertips after shaking hands with someone, that's just creepy.

3) Wash your hands after being around bodily excretions of any form, whether yours or someone else's. This is also a good time to remember not to lick your fingers.

4) Keep a couple of N95 masks with you at all times. If someone near you sneezes without covering their nose or burying it in a sleeve, walk over and place a mask over their face. If they try to remove it, use duct tape or staples to keep it in place.

5) Keep a 55 gallon drum of hand sanitizer inside the front door to your home. Upon entering the house, disrobe and climb into the barrel, applying the sanitizer to every body part, crevice, and orifice, just to be safe. If possible, have a family member get the areas you can't reach. Avoid open flames for the next several minutes, or catching a virus will be the least of your worries.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 06:39 04-Mar-2020
Very much agree with this.  But nevertheless shocked how many people still do not seem to be familiar with the most basic facts of this crisis
By all means, have at it  ;D Was just a gentle reminder so that as this thing progresses in UA, the thread doesn't end up a ten pager that doesn't even have UA-specific tips/ideas about optimal treatment facilities/ambulatory services  8)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 07:02 04-Mar-2020
This is from ~a week ago:

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There are seven bases for hospitalization, three of them for adults, three for children and one for pregnant women.

These are the Oleksandrivska Hospital, Kyivska Hospital No.4 and No.9, as well as children's hospitals No.1 and No.2 and the children's infectious diseases hospital.

Besides, two specialized teams are working in Kyiv to transport patients with suspected coronavirus.

In total, 500 beds were prepared for the case of coronavirus in Kyiv, of which 237 for adults, 200 for children and the rest for pregnant women.

source: https://ukranews.com/en/news/686963-kyiv-specifies-7-hospitals-for-hospitalization-of-people-with-suspected-coronavirus
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: youngken on 09:00 04-Mar-2020
:'(  It's sad that there have been over 3000 deaths because of this but more than 48000 have fully recovered.

From the REERL website
How do you know "FULLY" recovered
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 10:51 04-Mar-2020
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/03/809904660/why-the-death-rate-from-coronavirus-is-plunging-in-china
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 12:06 04-Mar-2020
Very much agree with this.  But nevertheless shocked how many people still do not seem to be familiar with the most basic facts of this crisis
By all means, have at it  ;D Was just a gentle reminder so that as this thing progresses in UA, the thread doesn't end up a ten pager that doesn't even have UA-specific tips/ideas about optimal treatment facilities/ambulatory services  8)

A little late but better late than never ...

Ukraine coronavirus update (https://odessa.online/v-ukraine-zafiksirovan-pervyj-sluchaj-koronavirusa/)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 15:00 04-Mar-2020
Ya'll are freakin' out over nothing.

Come back when you have a REAL epidemic that kills more than the common f u c king flu.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Eddie on 16:18 04-Mar-2020
Surprised those Ukies even believe in viruses.  That is like normal modern medicine stuff.  I guess I just didn't realize Ukies are capable of having such modern beliefs.  From the b.s. I hear, you can even cure cancer with magic Ukie water, and snake oil from the priest and doing strange things with garlic and/or vodka (other than drinking/eating) will take care of just about everything else.

Funny how my wife is all he sudden worried about this crap, yet still also believes you can get sick from the 'swosniak', sitting on a cold bench, or being exposed to any moving draft of air (even on a marshrutka in August). 

I sent over ceiling fans and installed them in every room in the house a few years ago.  The look on some of my wife's extended family upon entering the house made it all worth it.  I am sure we are the only house in the village with an american style garage door and ceiling fans.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 18:29 04-Mar-2020
People only want to see the dark clouds and not the silver lining, that COVID-19 might solve the pension funding crisis, globally, as 80% killed by it are 60 and older.  Its interesting that schools are being closed, because almost no children die of this virus.
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 20:00 04-Mar-2020
People only want to see the dark clouds and not the silver lining, that COVID-19 might solve the pension funding crisis, globally, as 80% killed by it are 60 and older.  Its interesting that schools are being closed, because almost no children die of this virus.
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.

Would it then not just be the most efficient thing according to your logic to shoot everybody over 60? 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 23:36 04-Mar-2020
People only want to see the dark clouds and not the silver lining, that COVID-19 might solve the pension funding crisis, globally, as 80% killed by it are 60 and older.  Its interesting that schools are being closed, because almost no children die of this virus.
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.

Would it then not just be the most efficient thing according to your logic to shoot everybody over 60?

Note that in my original post I was careful not to turn this into an American politics thing. 
I am glad I am only 59!.  It might be more efficient, but in America, people over 60 are about half the gun owners in America.  But, if you go back to the 1980's when Bernie Sanders was on his Russia Honeymoon, government policy in America was to deliberately avoid doing anything to extend the lives of the WWII generation, except for a lot of money wasted, trying to cure cancer.  Tremendous expenditures to try to extend life are a recent phenomenon that relates to the political power held by boomers.  Disease or plague resolving economic scarcity issues is a recurring theme in the history of all civilizations.
  But, of course, the Stalin method has been more popular.  Why would it be more efficient?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 05:07 05-Mar-2020


Would it then not just be the most efficient thing according to your logic to shoot everybody over 60?
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er.....shoot only Russians right?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 06:33 05-Mar-2020
People only want to see the dark clouds and not the silver lining, that COVID-19 might solve the pension funding crisis, globally, as 80% killed by it are 60 and older.  Its interesting that schools are being closed, because almost no children die of this virus.
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.

well, ofc, a lot of us have our grandparents as our main parental figures or simply are old enough that our parents are old. especially if you don't have kids etc. they're the main ppl in your life w/ no competition
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 14:17 05-Mar-2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/03/04/coronavirus-has-mutated-aggressive-disease-say-scientists/
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 04:01 06-Mar-2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/03/04/coronavirus-has-mutated-aggressive-disease-say-scientists/

I am not subscribed to the Telegraph and am unable to read the post.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: julienp on 07:55 06-Mar-2020
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.
Would it then not just be the most efficient thing according to your logic to shoot everybody over 60?

The virus is not killing everybody, just those weaker one who are most likely to become a burden on healthcare.
It's more like an impartial death panel. Didn't you get that with Obamacare already ?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 15:38 06-Mar-2020
Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.
Would it then not just be the most efficient thing according to your logic to shoot everybody over 60?

The virus is not killing everybody, just those weaker one who are most likely to become a burden on healthcare.
It's more like an impartial death panel. Didn't you get that with Obamacare already ?

Somehow the media has made this out to be the next worst thing next to the Black Plague and the Zombie Apocalypse combined. The f u c king sky is falling......
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 16:00 06-Mar-2020
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The fatality rate at this point is far below the seasonal flu.
 This appears to be yet another mass media hyped up story because there isn't much for news.

Come again? Don't confuse % with absolute numbers. The % is much higher. For people under 40 its .2 and for those over 80 its 14%+

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

This number was before the increased % rate, but that's partly because there is more old people in 1st world countries catching it so the death rate is higher. In the US the death rate is 11%, much higher than the 3% mentioned but here it has ravaged nursing homes, etc. Altogether, I believe the global rate is lower than 1% since a large number of people catch it and never get tested and symptoms are very mild or not at all. However , by the same token, a high % of people catch the Flu strain and  never know about it.

 Its not a media hype at all, the death % is similar to spanish Flu and we have more global travel today. IMHO the media is downplaying it since the gov't is downplaying it. The gov't wants the stock market not to crash(and Trump wants to win an election).The world gov'ts care about the economy more than the deaths since it mainly kills old people. With a .2 death % for the PRODUCTIVE  population...they don't worry. Unemployment rates are higher. Sad but true.

Spanish Flu was also downplayed at 1st in the Shadow of WW1. In fact, the world powers at war kept it quiet as not to disrupt the war. Spain was neutral and  it wasn't kept quiet there...hence the name Spanish Flu.

But if t makes you feel better, Ukraine probably won't get a lot of confirmed cases. The country has a very limited supply of test kits and the population will stay home rather than get tested. More people drink and drown in the river !


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The virus is not killing everybody, just those weaker one who are most likely to become a burden on healthcare.
It's more like an impartial death panel. Didn't you get that with Obamacare already ?
Well thats the thing. Since it  kills a large % of those on pension and using up healthcare it will be a savings. It seems to have a very low rate of children getting it. They are more carriers. If 14% of children were dying , there would be violent protests in the streets.
This virus isn't the world killer, some of you built bunkers to escape, but it will hurt the global economy that was 1-2 yrs away from a major recession anyhow.Recession was coming, this bring it sooner. Economically its the under 40 that will most likely live that will be hammered the most financially.

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Short term, sure, this is bad for the economy, but long term, we are looking at a huge burden lifted from the shoulders of young people who may well buy homes, cars and start families, if they don't have to pay for pensioners.
But, don't look for this angle in WSJ or FT.
Not really, more likely  save money in the short run by not paying pensions but long run the programs will be more in the red because of the number of people without jobs , which means less funding. Additionally, gov't will run up  more debt. Its the younger people who get financially hammered the most. Most haven't recovered from 2008. As it is they were buying less homes and cars. I am talking about 1st world countries not the developing world mind you.

To give you an example. My father is 81 , looks in his late 50's and is dating millennial  here in NYC. He says this female generation  likes older men because guys their own age can't afford to take them out and they can't afford stuff themselves.

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  Its interesting that schools are being closed, because almost no children die of this virus.
Those rugrats are carriers though. They  need be put in bubbles before they kill grandma/pa

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ome back when you have a REAL epidemic that kills more than the common f u c king flu

It does! .15 % that regular flu kills is global number, which means the healthy population killed is much lower. Also there are 2 strains now, its mutated.

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Surprised those Ukies even believe in viruses.  That is like normal modern medicine stuff.  I guess I just didn't realize Ukies are capable of having such modern beliefs.  From the b.s. I hear, you can even cure cancer with magic Ukie water, and snake oil from the priest and doing strange things with garlic and/or vodka (other than drinking/eating) will take care of just about everything else.

Ukies know  to Stay away. They regularly close schools in FLU season.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 16:05 06-Mar-2020
Wanted to add, numbers are lower because the healthcare system can handle the caseload but when millions get it at one time the hospitals won't be able to keep up, especially since a % need ventilators. IMHO this should teach us the dangers of letting China manufacture everything. We can't produce masks,etc in the amounts China can.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 16:25 06-Mar-2020
There is a cultural issue, because although COVID-19 is worse than any flu that spread rapidly around the world in recent history, people and media have changed, so that the hype and panic surrounding this, is amplified. 
The average person today is not much less paranoid about germs than Howard Hughes was.
Think about it: People said Hughes was crazy, but most of his germophobic behavior is normal today.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 18:21 06-Mar-2020
Well a cultural issue started it, those Chinese and their fish markets or perhaps it is from the lab. Wuhan is where their pathogen lab was and a bat supposedly bit a worker.
Today  people are also exposed to more pathogens. We understand  how its transmitted more than in 1918 but that doesn't change the FACTS. If it spreads to 50% of the US population, based on current population it will kill at least 5 million , possibly more since we have a large old age population.

I hate comparing it to the FLU, because it isn't the flu. aS A RESPIRATORY   virus , a large % needs to be hospitalized and put on ventilators. Does the West have many? Does Ukraine?

Additionally, this strain  lays dormant much longer. People go 2 weeks , without symptoms and possibly spreading it. Add in that there is no vaccine and not even a consistent treatment plan, partly because the Chinese haven't been forthcoming. Personally, I think the spreading in the West will be worse since the damn liberals won't allow Draconian containment measures. I have been reading stories where  people are forced into self quarantine and they end up going to a crowded contest.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-to-flu-mortality-rates-2020-3

In my age group the corona virus is 20x more deadly, and at least I can get a Flu shot that will most likely take me out of the stats. For our forum members over 60 but less than 70...its 60x higher death rate and no protection available to take you out of the running. So for those that say its the same rate as the Flu, or even close...their arithmetic abilities have to be questioned. For those over 70 its almost 100x more deadly and for those over 80 its over 150x more deadly.

 Again there isn't a vaccine or proven treatment plan at this time to reduce the numbers . However, healthcare treatment does reduce the numbers and if too many people get sick at one time the death rates will increase significantly. Again how many Ventliators are in the Kherson hospital system? or the Cherkassy system? or even the Kyiv system.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 18:38 06-Mar-2020
As someone pointed out earlier, a recent story indicated that the virus has mutated into a mild strain, that causes few fatalities, and a more dangerous strain.  If the mild strain would be deliberately spread about so that everyone possible is infected, then without much technology, the number of people killed could be drastically reduced.
Obviously that is not going to happen.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 20:00 06-Mar-2020
As someone pointed out earlier, a recent story indicated that the virus has mutated into a mild strain, that causes few fatalities, and a more dangerous strain.  If the mild strain would be deliberately spread about so that everyone possible is infected, then without much technology, the number of people killed could be drastically reduced.
Obviously that is not going to happen.


Are you saying that once you have recovered from the "mild" strain, you cannot become infected by the "dangerous" variant?

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 22:13 06-Mar-2020
That indeed seems to be what Mr. Rochlin is saying and there is just no basis for saying this.  In fact, it even appears that people do not develop any long-term immunity against the virus strain they did not get infected by, just as getting a cold once does not stop you from getting it again
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 00:50 07-Mar-2020
There is no evidence one way or the other. At this point you can reacquire but may not get symptoms..similar actually to the C oronavirus cats get(mine has).
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 01:43 07-Mar-2020
As someone pointed out earlier, a recent story indicated that the virus has mutated into a mild strain, that causes few fatalities, and a more dangerous strain.  If the mild strain would be deliberately spread about so that everyone possible is infected, then without much technology, the number of people killed could be drastically reduced.
Obviously that is not going to happen.


Are you saying that once you have recovered from the "mild" strain, you cannot become infected by the "dangerous" variant?
I am saying that having recovered from infection by a mild strain of the same virus is going to confer immunity in the same way that a vaccine does.  It will make it harder for a dangerous strain to infect or it can help the immune system reduce the duration and severity of symptoms of a dangerous strain, resulting in more rapid recovery. 
But, a few "Lucky" people with weak or compromised immune systems can get the same flu virus more than once.  Vaccines are not 100%.  My suggestion is similar to the way a primitive vaccine works. 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 09:36 07-Mar-2020
Good morning, world! Good morning, Ukraine!

As of now, there is only one case of confirmed #COVID19 coronavirus infection in Ukraine. 10 more people were isolated on suspicion of being infected. Nevertheless, Ukraine is preparing for an epidemic.

The Ministry of Health announced that soon, Ukraine may see bans on holding mass events, conferences, sports events, and a temporary quarantine for schools.

Find out how prepared Ukraine is in this material from our partners at UkraineWorld:

https://ukraineworld.org/articles/opinions/coronavirus-ukraine-how-country-combats-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR1wZLRVNwZVqUUR_u-DFCNa8zLUm9d1mOfh6qiljMhYBhTm9D9jmc9gRmM
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: youngken on 11:36 07-Mar-2020
What about Khreshchatyk street in this weekend? As busy as usual?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 14:56 07-Mar-2020
What about Khreshchatyk street in this weekend? As busy as usual?

Ken,
Quote
The Ministry of Health announced that soon, Ukraine may see bans on holding mass events, conferences, sports events, and a temporary quarantine for schools.
is quite different from a leisurely stroll round the shops for imitation designer-wear.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 16:26 07-Mar-2020
But, a few "Lucky" people with weak or compromised immune systems can get the same flu virus more than once.

Well we actually don't know as of yet tbh. Since I worked in cat rescue I do know a lot  about the coronavirus they get. They shed it and can reacquire the same strain but it generally doesn't make them sick again(unless it mutates to FIP, actually in Ukraine they  worry about cat coronavirus more than we do in US)

We don't know much about the multiple strains and what it means. The common cold is actually about 4-5 coronaviruses that change their appearance constantly  stopping us from making a vaccine. Ideal situation would be the COVID 19 after it infects us all will circulate as an additional "cold" virus that has same effect as the cold. But 1st it has to circulate and kill a bunch of us apparently, being a new virus and all. Remember MOST viruses don't want to kill us or even make us very sick. Then they kill themselves. The "sickness" we get is similar to a bad blind date. They don't know how to interact with us and we with them.

What makes me afraid about Ukraine is the "false pride". My mother law  won't use a cane for example. People who need to wear masks WON'T because its make them look bad and alienate them. In China they wear masks whenever they are sick so there is a culture that supports it. I can't imagine those long legged Devushka covering u with a mask. They rather spread it to all of us 1st!

U.S has this problem a bi too. People are embarrassed to wear masks.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 01:46 08-Mar-2020
But, a few "Lucky" people with weak or compromised immune systems can get the same flu virus more than once.

Well we actually don't know as of yet tbh. Since I worked in cat rescue I do know a lot  about the coronavirus they get. They shed it and can reacquire the same strain but it generally doesn't make them sick again(unless it mutates to FIP, actually in Ukraine they  worry about cat coronavirus more than we do in US)

We don't know much about the multiple strains and what it means. The common cold is actually about 4-5 coronaviruses that change their appearance constantly  stopping us from making a vaccine. Ideal situation would be the COVID 19 after it infects us all will circulate as an additional "cold" virus that has same effect as the cold. But 1st it has to circulate and kill a bunch of us apparently, being a new virus and all. Remember MOST viruses don't want to kill us or even make us very sick. Then they kill themselves. The "sickness" we get is similar to a bad blind date. They don't know how to interact with us and we with them.

What makes me afraid about Ukraine is the "false pride". My mother law  won't use a cane for example. People who need to wear masks WON'T because its make them look bad and alienate them. In China they wear masks whenever they are sick so there is a culture that supports it. I can't imagine those long legged Devushka covering u with a mask. They rather spread it to all of us 1st!

U.S has this problem a bi too. People are embarrassed to wear masks.

In Seattle and Kyiv, people haven't had problems wearing Balaklava's over the years, so any reluctance to wear a mask is a matter of style and intent.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 16:02 12-Mar-2020

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu


Have you all been keeping tabs on the above? Much different today and surely gives cause for concern.

Fraucha's link may take a while to load as obviously the site is being overwhelmed by worried enquirers.

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 21:21 12-Mar-2020
12th March 2020
At Borispol airport in Kiev landed a plane from Milan UIA PS 312. Three passengers ("all foreigners") were taken from it by suspicion of coronavirus, reports Anton Gura of Kiev on the Internet. And, according to him, "half of the plane coughs, many with temperature", but the doctors examined all at first all released.

Report with video and photographic content

Vesti UA - A plane with sick foreigners arrived in Kiev from Milan (https://vesti.ua/kiev/v-kiev-priletel-samolet-s-bolnymi-inostrantsami)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 04:36 13-Mar-2020

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu


Have you all been keeping tabs on the above? Much different today and surely gives cause for concern.

Fraucha's link may take a while to load as obviously the site is being overwhelmed by worried enquirers.

Yes I have. Here is the latest for UKRAINE

🔵Two new cases of coronavirus have been reported in Ukraine, bringing the total to three, one of the lowest numbers in Europe. The two new cases are: a man in Chernivtsi, the site of the first case; and an elderly woman in Zhytomyr Oblast, immediately to the west of Kyiv.

THREE! (3) The fu ck ing sky is falling the sky is falling....
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 06:57 13-Mar-2020
3 out of 42.2 million..
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 11:27 13-Mar-2020
It can be a judgement call whether a country has few cases, because they can't afford to do many tests, or because they have few COVID-19 victims.  While Ukraine doubtless has done many tests, be aware that the cost of a test can be $2000 in Western countries.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 13:31 13-Mar-2020
But that two grand is the result of the 'rip and gouge' factor in the medical profession. 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 15:05 13-Mar-2020
First confirmed death in Ukraine. A 71 yo lady passed away from it today.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/breaking-first-death-from-coronavirus-in-ukraine-confirmed.html?fbclid=IwAR1w6Y-t1YknKYW1SO2_QjGY3_GZcbf8M3LgZFZytKwjSHqSDppdbe4biM8
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jimukr105 on 19:10 13-Mar-2020
t can be a judgement call whether a country has few cases, because they can't afford to do many tests, or because they have few COVID-19 victims.  While Ukraine doubtless has done many tests, be aware that the cost of a test can be $2000 in Western countries.

I read al of Ukraine has only conducted about 50 tests and the lab is in Kiev. Many regions don't even have the test kit...yet. Italy on the other hand does a lot more than the US and so does South Korea. Seems the only thing limiting the reported infected are the number of tests completed. Also if done too early it often will be a false negative.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 10:08 14-Mar-2020
Definitely better to avoid hospitals if you can. And for those that feel very worried - just be happy that you are in Ukraine, take advantage of the fact that practically nothing is on prescription here and stock up on anti-malaria meds   :)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 11:48 14-Mar-2020
Definitely better to avoid hospitals if you can. And for those that feel very worried - just be happy that you are in Ukraine, take advantage of the fact that practically nothing is on prescription here and stock up on anti-malaria meds   :)

and salo
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 12:10 14-Mar-2020
Definitely better to avoid hospitals if you can. And for those that feel very worried - just be happy that you are in Ukraine, take advantage of the fact that practically nothing is on prescription here and stock up on anti-malaria meds   :)

and salo

You should not have to stock up on salo - you should already have a good supply of salo at home at all time! You know, for salo-related emergencies.  ;)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 14:24 14-Mar-2020
Definitely better to avoid hospitals if you can. And for those that feel very worried - just be happy that you are in Ukraine, take advantage of the fact that practically nothing is on prescription here and stock up on anti-malaria meds   :)

and salo

You should not have to stock up on salo - you should already have a good supply of salo at home at all time! You know, for salo-related emergencies.  ;)

I do. and salo is the food of the gods. I will never die because I eat a good amount of salo. This is known.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 22:16 14-Mar-2020
But that two grand is the result of the 'rip and gouge' factor in the medical profession.

In the States, yes. Quite agree although you never mentioned the US above.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 21:43 15-Mar-2020
David mentioned it referring to 'western countries'.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 23:51 15-Mar-2020
David mentioned it referring to 'western countries'.

True but he meant FAR west, ie US!

What we discussed off forum would cost about $14k in the UK if done privately but it is free if carried out by the NHS (National Health Service and you are prepared to wait) compared to around $50k or more in the States (far west).
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 04:30 16-Mar-2020
Monday, March 16

Ukraine Cut Off: No International Flights or Trains for 2 Weeks...Cuts Designed to Keep Coronavirus Out, Trade Open...PM Asks Ukrainians to Stop Traveling Domestically...Ze Asks Employers to Allow Work From Home...Reuters: Saudi Arabia Determined to Whack Russia
By James Brooke

🔵Starting today, foreigners without residency permits are barred from entering Ukraine. Starting tonight, all international flights, trains, and buses to and from Ukraine are suspended for two weeks. As of tonight, all train service stops between Ukraine and Poland, Moldova, Russia and Slovakia. Airports will only be open for cargo flights. The measures are designed to block, or at least slow, the entry of coronavirus from the EU, officially named by the World Health Organization as a hub of the global pandemic.

🔵Almost half of Ukraine?s 230 border crossings are closed through Friday, April 3, Serhii Deineko, head of the State Border Guard Service told reporters on Saturday.  The 107 that will remain open have largely been selected to keep Ukraine exports and imports moving.

🔵?Cargo checkpoints ? air, railway, sea and automobile ? will continue to operate,? President Zelenskiy said in video address Friday night. ?Crews of ships, airplanes, trucks can enter Ukraine and are obliged to undergo medical verification with rapid tests.?

🔵This means Polish truck drivers can drive into Ukraine. Poland is Ukraine?s third largest trading partner, after China and Russia. In one sign of cargo disruptions, Ukrainian trucks traveling from Italy are stopped on Slovenia?s western border, reports Ukraine?s Infrastructure Minister. Similarly, trucks traveling from Italy to Croatia or Hungary are not allowed to drive out of Slovenia.

🔵Maxim Nefyodov, head of the State Customs Service, clarified on Facebook: ?All major [Ukrainian] checkpoints will operate, including major airports, ports, landing points. The restrictions will apply to certain local checkpoints, pedestrian crossings, low-load railway crossings.?

🔵In a next step, Prime Minister Shmygal asks Ukrainians to stop traveling within Ukraine as a measure to stop the spread of coronavirus. ?I also ask you, very insistently?to stop travelling between the cities of Ukraine,? he said in a video address posted Saturday night on his Facebook page after an emergency meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers.

🔵This week?s air travel bans will brake Ukraine?s double digit air passenger growth. In the first two months of this year, the flow of air passengers using Ukrainian airports was up 15% y-o-y, to 3.2 million. The State Aviation Service reports that last year, air passenger growth was up 18.5% y-o-y, to 24.3 million.

🔵At checkpoints on the line of control with Russia-controlled Donbas, only Ukrainians registered as living in Kyiv-controlled Ukraine, will be allowed to cross. Ukraine?s Interior Minister buttock n Avakov said Friday: ?We now have preliminary information about 12 cases of coronavirus in Horlivka.? Horlivka is in the separatist section of Donetsk Region.

🔵After a 71-year-old woman returning from Poland died Friday in Radomyshl, Zhytomyr Oblast, authorities placed the entire city 110 km west of Kyiv under lockdown. In response to Ukraine?s first coronavirus fatality, authorities closed markets, stopped bus service, and started checking everyone driving in or out of the city of 15,000.

🔵With 40% of Ukraine?s migrant workers going to Poland, the suspension of flights and trains will cause problems for many, including involuntary overstays of the 90-visa free Schengen limit. If borders are not fully reopened, farms in Poland and Lithuania will lose Ukrainian migrant workers crucial for cultivation and harvests, reports the Kyiv Post in a survey story. The National Bank of Ukraine predicts that labor remittances will decrease slightly from the current level of $1 billion a month.

🔵Preparing for a possible Italy-size epidemic, Zelenskiy said that 2,000 infectious disease physicians and 5,000 nurses are ready to staff designated hospitals with a total of 12,000 beds. For a nation of 37 million people, he said the government is preparing this week 200,000 rapid tests and 10 million masks.

🔵Turning to employers, the President appealed: ?I personally ask business executives ? if possible, allow your employees to work at home, remotely. Especially those who have children and who cannot leave them because of quarantine at schools and kindergartens.?

🔵The coronavirus disruption of China?s role in global supply lines offers opportunities for Ukrainian companies to supply components and semi-finished products to EU manufacturers, argues Hennadiy Chizhikov, president of the Ukrainian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. ?The spread of coronavirus can cause large-scale changes in the distribution of production and the creation of new production chains,? Chizikov said Friday at a business forum in Lviv. He said some EU companies are studying transferring orders for components to suppliers in Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Turkey.

🔵Companies are moving fast to protect employees and work flows from coronavirus, according to an American Chamber of Commerce in Ukraine and Deloitte survey last week of 111 member companies. Measures taken are: limiting business travel ? 81%; providing remote work opportunities -- 79%; providing employees with up-to-date information --74%; and office security -- 74%. Asked about adjusting their 2020 business targets, 65% responded that they plan to maintain their targets, while 14% plan to moderately lower their targets.

🔵More than half of German firms - 56% -- are suffering losses due to coronavirus, according to a survey conducted by the Munich-based think tank, Ifo Institute of Economics. Of 3,400 firms, 96% of tourist companies were hit, followed by 63% of food processors. Ifo reported: ?And 63% of firms suffer in trade. Delays or cancellations of deliveries ? 66% -- especially due to the cancellation of fairs and congresses, cancellation of orders.?

🔵Saudi Arabia plans to more than double oil deliveries to Europe in April in a bid to knock Russia?s Urals oil out of the EU market, Reuters reports from Moscow in an article headlined: ?Saudi Arabia set its sights on Russian oil market share ? traders.? After Russia and Saudi Arabia fell out about production quotas 10 days ago, Saudi Arabia vowed to increase production by 25% in April. To sell the oil, it is offering deep discounts. Many Russians believe that Saudi Arabia?s decision to flood the world with cheap oil in 1986 led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

🔵The National Bank of Ukraine sold almost $1 billion dollars last week in moves that contained the hryvnia devaluation against the dollar to 4% for the week. Demand tapered Friday, hitting $141.6 million. After the banking holiday on Monday, the central bank sold $270 million on Tuesday. On Wednesday, sales rose to $350 million. On Thursday, sales started to fall, hitting $220 million.

🔵S&P joins Fitch Ratings in maintaining their rating of Ukraine's long-term foreign currency debt rating at ?B.? Fitch reaffirmed its ratings March 7. S&P followed last Friday. Moody's rating is Caa1, outlook positive.


From the Editor: With Italy reporting a 25% jump in coronavirus deaths yesterday ? 368 more ? it is comforting to see Ukraine moving aggressively and proactively. So far, Ukraine?s post-Independence laissez faire approach to public health has failed. Last year, Ukraine reported 57,000 measles cases ? more than half the total number for WHO?s entire European Region. One week ago, on my fourth visit to a clinic, I finally was able to get my four-year-old son vaccinated for Hepatitis B and Chicken Pox. I wonder: how many parents would make four trips and pay $153 for these basic shots? With Best Regards, Jim Brooke jbrooke@ubn.news
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 05:37 18-Mar-2020
Wednesday, March 18

Total Transit Shutdown Today: Metro, Trains and Planes...Hryvnia Slow Motion Devaluation: 8% in 10 days...Needed: US Dollar Bills...Great Big Sucking Sound: Money Leaving EM...Corona Could Cut GDP Growth in Half
By James Brooke


🔵Starting today, Ukrzaliznytsia closes all train stations and passenger rail service across the nation. To prevent the spread of coronavirus, the state railroad is stopping all suburban, regional and international passenger service. Freight continues unimpeded. Ukrainian Railways is the world?s sixth largest passenger transporter in the world and the seventh largest freight transporter. Also stopped are: regional buses, domestic flights and non essential intercity car trips.

🔵Also starting today, Ukraine?s three underground subway systems ? in Kyiv, Kharkiv and Dnipro ? are closed through April 3. In Kyiv, passengers may only board surface transport ? buses, trams and trolleybuses ? wearing masks. No more than 10 people are to ride in one vehicle. Police are to enforce compliance.

🔵Behind the restrictions are fears of coronavirus spreading east from the EU to Ukraine. Yesterday, Ukraine recorded its second coronavirus death, a 33-year-old woman in Chernivtsi, 500 km southwest of Kyiv. Ukraine now has 14 confirmed cases. This includes five new cases in Chernivtsi ?two adults, aged 18 and 31; and three children, aged 10, 1 and six months.

🔵Defending a slow devaluation of the hryvnia, the National Bank of Ukraine sold $300 million yesterday. On Facebook, the bank noted that it bought $8 billion net last year, when the hryvnia was strong. With reserves of $25 billion, ?today we have sufficient airbags to smooth out hryvnia fluctuations are already in the other direction,? the central bank said. Recently, the bank?s purchases have been: March 16 -- $62 million; March 13 -- $150 million; March 12 -- $220 million; March 11 -- $350 million; and March 10 -- $270 million.

🔵In the latest mini-devaluation, the central bank set this morning?s exchange rate at 27.06 to the dollar ? 8% below the trading level of the March 9 holiday. After a strong year, the hryvnia now has returned to the level of last April. In street level exchange shops, the exchange rate yesterday was 28 hryvnia to the dollar.

🔵National Bank of Ukraine officials blame part of the devaluation on a shortage of dollar bills caused by new air freight restrictions. ?There are some difficulties with the U.S. dollar cash, but this is only due to the fact that foreign currency was imported into the banking sector before the quarantine events by airplanes from abroad,? Kateryna Rozhkova, first deputy governor of the central bank, said in an online press briefing. ?We are now working with banks to ensure settle this issue and to establish another system for delivering cash foreign currency to Ukraine. Therefore, again, do not panic ? just wait.?

🔵No foreign exchange curbs are planned by the central bank, Oleh Churiy, another deputy governor, told reporters in a live press conference. "The NBU does not consider imposing any restrictions,? he said. ?We believe that the banking system is liquid.? Addressing the shortage of dollars and euros, he said: ?In coming days, a large amount of cash foreign currency is expected to be delivered.? Similarly, the bank?s website reported: ?Due to the termination of air travel and the closure of borders, cash dollars and euros are being delivered to Ukraine with a delay.?

🔵Ukraine is swept up in a far larger outflow of dollars across Emerging Markets since late January, the Institute of International Finance reported Tuesday. ?Our high-frequency capital flows trackers point to a sudden stop in EM due to the combination of uncertainty around the spread of COVID-19, and large oil price and financial shocks,? says the Washington-based association of 500 international financial institutions. ?The trackers point to an unprecedented shock to nonresident flows to EM since the COVID-19 outbreak became a global concern in late January. Cumulative capital outflows since the COVID-19 episode began in late January are already twice as large as in the global financial crisis and dwarf stress events such as the China devaluation scare of 2015 and the taper tantrum in 2014.?

🔵Slowing the devaluation of the hryvnia, Ukraine experienced a trade surplus in January, reports State Statistics Service. For Ukraine, a net energy importer, low oil and gas prices helped to boost the trade surplus to $138 million. European natural gas prices are at a 10-year low and oil prices have fallen in half since January. Exports to China, Ukraine?s top trading partner, hit $448 million in January ? a 79% increase y-o-y. Last year, Ukraine exported $51 billion worth of goods, and imported $61 billion.

🔵A government ban on Ukraine?s major food export products -- grains, oilseeds, vegetable oil, and poultry ? ?may completely shut down the industry and lead hundreds or thousands of businesses to bankruptcy, depriving thousands or even hundreds of thousands of their jobs,? warns Alex Lissitsa, president of the Ukrainian Agribusiness Club Association. President Zelenskiy has asked the Cabinet of Ministers to decide a list of food items that could be prohibited from export, in the event shortages appear.

🔵If the coronavirus restrictions ?are not prolonged? Ukraine?s economy will shrink by -1.6% in the first quarter and will end the year with 1.9% growth, estimates Adamant Capital. ?We expect it take a substantial toll on the economy. Domestic trade, education, transportation, hotel and restaurant services, and entertainment are likely to be among the larger sufferers, though spillover effects to other sectors (such to finance and real estate) are likely,? the Kyiv-based investment house reported Tuesday. Last year?s growth is estimated to be 3.6%.

🔵Given the world?s fast-moving economic crisis, Ukraine should lobby the IMF for a $10 billion Extended Fund Facility, nearly double the $5.5 billion deal now under discussion, argues Timothy Ash, senior sovereign analyst for Blue Bay Asset Management. ?Still well below Argentina?s 10 times quota allocations,? Ash writes from London. ?Increasing the sum I think would also impart greater urgency on the part of Rada deputies to pull their fingers out in terms of outstanding prior actions on the EFF.?

🔵Pay to play? The Rada may tie a vote to create a farmland market to IMF approval of financial aid, a ruling party ?source? tells Ekonomichna Pravda online newspaper. Many economists believe a farmland market would inject billions of dollars of investment into rural Ukraine, raising yields and living conditions. Many politicians are not convinced. The farmland market bill that is to emerge in two weeks in the Rada is expected to ban foreigners from buying land and to limit private holdings to 10,000 hectares.


From the Editor: With bars, night clubs, theaters, shopping centers, restaurants and the metro closed, what?s a couple to do? President Zelenskiy, father of two, has a hint. He tells ICTV: ?Stay at home, read books, watch movies. As for young people...no one has canceled the demographic crisis in Ukraine. I think the time has come to fight this problem too.? This weekend, battalions of wannabe babushkas are expected to be lobbying for a Christmas baby boom. With Best Regards, Jim Brooke (father of four)  jbrooke@ubn.news

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Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 14:11 18-Mar-2020
Anyone aware about Belarus' status.  A local told me Minsk is locked down, but no lockdown is in English language news, the Belarus Embassy in DC or the Dept. of State travel alerts.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 17:07 18-Mar-2020
Anyone aware about Belarus' status.  A local told me Minsk is locked down, but no lockdown is in English language news, the Belarus Embassy in DC or the Dept. of State travel alerts.

I can't find anything :-(
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 19:11 18-Mar-2020
Fake news .... at least it is at the moment.  Luca was telling everyone to "drive tractors in the fields and drink vodka, the virus is in the oil pipeline" obviously as he had had another spat with the midget.

Luka's Twitter (https://twitter.com/EDTVProductions/status/1240326366098272256)

and

Chairperson of the Council of the Republic Natalya Kochanova (https://eng.belta.by/society/view/kochanova-belarus-does-everything-to-shield-people-against-coronavirus-129081-2020/)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 04:16 19-Mar-2020
Luca was telling everyone to "eat salo and drink vodka, the virus is in the oil pipeline"

Sounds legit
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 03:46 20-Mar-2020
A UBN reader writes, citing health professional friends in Rivne and Dnipro: "In both cities, there seems to be an unusually, very high rate of incidences of pneumonia. These sufferers have been diagnosed with pneumonia only. In Dnipro, they are lining the hospital corridors. This is flu season, I know, but the incredibly high incidence of pneumonia, leads to the possible conclusion that many people may not be included in the diagnosis of COVID-19, and are not being tested for COVID-19."
 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: AkMike on 07:10 20-Mar-2020
http://www.uawire.org/lukashenko-russia-is-engulfed-with-coronavirus

http://www.uawire.org/russia-closes-its-borders-with-belarus

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 10:50 20-Mar-2020
http://www.uawire.org/lukashenko-russia-is-engulfed-with-coronavirus

http://www.uawire.org/russia-closes-its-borders-with-belarus

Luka has the right of it. In a few months when the numbers are in we will blame the media for the frenzy over a moderate flu.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 10:57 20-Mar-2020

 In a few months when the numbers are in we will blame the media for the frenzy over a moderate flu.


Are you really serious?

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

especially Italy:

ITALY - COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 19:26 20-Mar-2020

 In a few months when the numbers are in we will blame the media for the frenzy over a moderate flu.


Are you really serious?

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

especially Italy:

ITALY - COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)

Yeah I am serious. Influenza is worse. We can't even cure the common cold. This over reacting bulls h it has gettin old.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 23:56 20-Mar-2020

 In a few months when the numbers are in we will blame the media for the frenzy over a moderate flu.


Are you really serious?

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

especially Italy:

ITALY - COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)

Yeah I am serious. Influenza is worse. We can't even cure the common cold. This over reacting bulls h it has gettin old.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html


With all due respect it seems you are struggling to comprehend  the severity of the global crises situation, all things considered.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 01:11 21-Mar-2020

Yeah I am serious. Influenza is worse. We can't even cure the common cold. This over reacting bulls h it has gettin old.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

How is influenza worse?
1. Influenza nowadays has a mortality rate o around 0.1%, Covid-19 has a projected one of of 3.4% (obviously, we don't have enough data to be certain yet and current mortality rates are naturally much higher than they will be overall).
2. Influenza has an RO of around 1.3, Covid has around 3.
3. Incubation period of flu is much lower and there are no ridiculously long outliers, like there are with Covid. Which obviously means that there are many more people unaware that they are contagious with covid than there are with flu.
4. We have a flu vaccine and we are just barely now starting to understand the proteasas of Covid (the study of SARS-CoV-2 Mpro protease did not even get out of peer review yet, last time I checked), not to mention its other proteins.
5. Flu is a know quality, covid is not. And only that lack of knowledge makes it more dangerous.
6. Covid virus seems to be more resilient than the flu - studies suggest (again, still under peer review) that it will survive up to 72 hours on stainless steel, whereas flu virus will survive up to 48 hours on the same surface.

It's not about fear mongering or sowing panic (to be honest, I avoid regular news like a plague, only look at statistics and occasionall related medical article) or over- or underreacting. This is just facts.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 10:15 21-Mar-2020
So this information is total Bull S h it?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 11:36 21-Mar-2020
So this information is total Bull S h it?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Let us focus on COVID-19 since it is a new virus.

CDC Gov - COVID-19 (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summary.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fsummary.html)


Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 15:58 21-Mar-2020
So this information is total Bull S h it?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Why bull.. sh? Nothing in there contradicts any other findings. And nothing suggests that it's "worse than covid". Death rate still comes to 0.1% for example (hell, even less in 2018-2019, I see), they confirm that vaccines do indeed work.
So, unless I am missing something, why would it be bull?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 20:40 21-Mar-2020
I give up, I can't seem to find the right words to convey my thoughts.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 22:23 21-Mar-2020
It's hard to compare, because the number of fatalities for COVID-19 will depend upon the response of Government.  The more draconian the measures taken, to the point of a police state, the fewer people will be killed.  60,000 people died in the 2019 flu season in the U.S.  But, with no lockdown, mortality from COVID-19 could reach 2 million deaths in the U.S.  A lot of this depends on quality of care.  What government can do is slow down the pandemic and spread out the people who will go to the hospital, over several more months, preventing facilities from being as overwhelmed, allowing more time to obtain medical supplies, learn more about what treatment is going to be effective and practical.  The minimum number of deaths theoretically possible might be 20,000 given every possible measure is taken. 
What we are starting to see in America, and in Italy, is that hospitals are overwhelmed, and in America that might happen in other states, depending upon government action, including quarantine and "Social distancing" and other measures.  In my state, Washington State, one of the worst affected, lockdown, closures of nonessential businesses, will happen next week as "Social distancing," asking people to stay at home is also being, um, requested. 
In NYC hospitals are already almost overwhelmed. 
And this is still near the beginning with the peak in those two states, not expected until sometime in May.  These two states have robust public health systems and so, what will happen in poor states with big populations?
In summary, a lot of the difference, besides the higher mortality rate, will be a surge of cases inundating the hospitals.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 11:38 22-Mar-2020
I give up, I can't seem to find the right words to convey my thoughts.

Than maybe, if you can't find own words, just use a quote from this site you linked? Cause I seriously read it all by now and can't find anything that would confirm that flu is worse than coronavitus, or anything that contradicts the data that I know and quoted in my earlier post. And I keep looking and looking. It's driving me crazy! Craaaaaazy ;)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 13:50 22-Mar-2020

 It's driving me crazy! Craaaaaazy ;)


Being crazy is good!  :( 8)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 13:51 22-Mar-2020

 It's driving me crazy! Craaaaaazy ;)


Being crazy is good!  :( 8)

Being crazy is the best *runs around, waving arms*  ;)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 14:03 22-Mar-2020

 It's driving me crazy! Craaaaaazy ;)


Being crazy is good!  :( 8)


Being crazy is the best *runs around, waving arms*  ;)

oh i don't know, just look at the numbers.
and look here:  https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu?fbclid=IwAR1fxSukA5geUR81ZK05B5vLM_m0Ri53TBauu9ZbcH5omlid80NdkWmSWPU

and this, note the words I highlight in red and draw your own conclusions:

Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 11,906 deaths reported worldwide; 260 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 21, 2020.*

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.

ESTIMATION and THOUGHT are just that, UNTIL the facts are in.
NOT in yet...... we will see IN THE END this summer.

What is the Chicken Little syndrome?
Chicken Little Syndrome. ... This is called Chicken Little Syndrome (The sky is falling!), and humans are, unfortunately, very adept at employing it. When an unfortunate but isolated mishap occurs, it's easy to let your imagination run wild with all the possible causes and eventual consequences that will lead to Doom.


Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 14:18 22-Mar-2020

oh i don't know, just look at the numbers.


Numbers? You mean the pure number of cases of flu compared to confirmed covid cases? That means almost nothing, for several reasons:
1. Our testing for covid is very imperfect and we still have false negatives / false positives
2. Number of available test is severely limited. For example, Poland only got 30 000 tests, Ukraine 12 000 (yeah, I heard they were going to try to get another 100 thousand, but who knows if they will)
3. Because of that limited availability of tests, many countries are testing in an extremely limited capacity. Some of them are announcing that publicly. Like Sweden, that clearly said that they are only testing those hospitalized and those from the highest risk groups that show symptoms. And some of them are keeping limited testing more or less a secret from general public, or rather just not advertising it. Like Poland, where doctors have a very restricted access to test and are testing about 10% of people who come in with symptoms. 
4. Quarantine procedures make it all even wonkier. Many people that show symptoms just stay home, will never go to the doctor and never be tested (even assuming that they live in a country that is overflowing with tests and can test anybody that shows symptoms, if such a country exists).
5. Quarantine procedures also limit the spread of covid (how much they do that is anybody's guess at this point). And we never put such in place for the flu.

With all that under consideration, it will be a wonder if we are actually discovering 5% of actual existing cases. The most optimistic doctor I talked to claimed that we are identifying 10% of existing cases.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 14:35 22-Mar-2020

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, people do not have immunity to it, and a vaccine may be many months away. Doctors and scientists are working on estimating the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be higher than that of most strains of the flu.


Of course all we have of covid now is estimations. We can't really have anything else. But all of those estimations show that the mortality rate of covid is bigger than any flu. As is the ro. So none of those show that "flu is worse than covid".
And obviously flu killed a total higher number of people: it has been around in a population longer, it normalised in it, and we do not quarantine "the whole planet" to stop its spread like we are doing now with covid  ;)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 14:38 22-Mar-2020

What is the Chicken Little syndrome?
Chicken Little Syndrome. ... This is called Chicken Little Syndrome (The sky is falling!), and humans are, unfortunately, very adept at employing it. When an unfortunate but isolated mishap occurs, it's easy to let your imagination run wild with all the possible causes and eventual consequences that will lead to Doom.

\

I seriously dislike this movie. Everybody in it is just such a jerk  ;)
Also, I am in no way saying that a sky is falling. Or even panicking. All I'm saying is that I don't see any data supporting the "flue is wore than covid" claim.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 15:06 22-Mar-2020

ESTIMATION and THOUGHT are just that, UNTIL the facts are in.
NOT in yet...... we will see IN THE END this summer.


The Southern Hemisphere is "enjoying" summer at this time but sharing the effects of this pandemic. The chief is most likely wrong!

Will hot weather end Coronavirus? Trump has suggested it might (https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/science-and-technology/when-will-coronavirus-end-peak-be-over-uk-summer-trump)

Note the CYA "might", leaving the door open to give Alex Azar the push if things get too bad. Time will tell but for now, caution is advised  as suggested by experts.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 16:20 22-Mar-2020

ESTIMATION and THOUGHT are just that, UNTIL the facts are in.
NOT in yet...... we will see IN THE END this summer.


The Southern Hemisphere is "enjoying" summer at this time but sharing the effects of this pandemic. The chief is most likely wrong!

Will hot weather end Coronavirus? Trump has suggested it might (https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/science-and-technology/when-will-coronavirus-end-peak-be-over-uk-summer-trump)

Note the CYA "might", leaving the door open to give Alex Azar the push if things get too bad. Time will tell but for now, caution is advised  as suggested by experts.

Yeah, Philippines, for example, has a steadily growing number of cases and it's like 30 degrees there atm.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: youngken on 17:41 22-Mar-2020
It is so easy to make terror attack by using this virus! >:(
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 18:05 22-Mar-2020
Unfortunately, the decisions about how to react to COVID-19 are partly political decisions made without considering the collateral damage.  For example, in 2018, in America, 48,300 people committed Suicide.  By locking down America, people who lose their jobs, families plunged into poverty, will for sure increase the suicide rate in some dramatic way, and for years, not just in 2020 for the duration of the lockdowns. Who is taking these lives into account? 
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 01:45 23-Mar-2020
Modelling studies come to the conclusion that the direct death toll from the virus in the U.S. could reach two million.  So a few additional suicides obviously are simply insignificant
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 06:09 23-Mar-2020

What is the Chicken Little syndrome?
Chicken Little Syndrome. ... This is called Chicken Little Syndrome (The sky is falling!), and humans are, unfortunately, very adept at employing it. When an unfortunate but isolated mishap occurs, it's easy to let your imagination run wild with all the possible causes and eventual consequences that will lead to Doom.

\

I seriously dislike this movie. Everybody in it is just such a jerk  ;)
Also, I am in no way saying that a sky is falling. Or even panicking. All I'm saying is that I don't see any data supporting the "flue is wore than covid" claim.

Movie? lol you are to young to remember the tale, I ain't talking a movie. Never bothered to see it  either. The original tale was Henny Penny, Chicken Little is the story I remember this under from abut 60 years ago.

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 09:22 23-Mar-2020

What is the Chicken Little syndrome?
Chicken Little Syndrome. ... This is called Chicken Little Syndrome (The sky is falling!), and humans are, unfortunately, very adept at employing it. When an unfortunate but isolated mishap occurs, it's easy to let your imagination run wild with all the possible causes and eventual consequences that will lead to Doom.

\

I seriously dislike this movie. Everybody in it is just such a jerk  ;)
Also, I am in no way saying that a sky is falling. Or even panicking. All I'm saying is that I don't see any data supporting the "flue is wore than covid" claim.

Movie? lol you are to young to remember the tale, I ain't talking a movie. Never bothered to see it  either. The original tale was Henny Penny, Chicken Little is the story I remember this under from abut 60 years ago.

I am aware that there is an original tale. However, I never read it, only saw the Disney movie. So, could not really refer to it. Is everyone such a jerk in the tale as well ;)?
Age has really little ro do with it. I, as I asume practically everybody else, read a lot of tales/novels/stories much older than I am. I saw a lot of movies, theater plays, operas much older than I am as well :). But we have so many things and so many choices, and such a limited time - we naturally have to chose what we consume and experience.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 10:13 23-Mar-2020

What is the Chicken Little syndrome?
Chicken Little Syndrome. ... This is called Chicken Little Syndrome (The sky is falling!), and humans are, unfortunately, very adept at employing it. When an unfortunate but isolated mishap occurs, it's easy to let your imagination run wild with all the possible causes and eventual consequences that will lead to Doom.

\

I seriously dislike this movie. Everybody in it is just such a jerk  ;)
Also, I am in no way saying that a sky is falling. Or even panicking. All I'm saying is that I don't see any data supporting the "flue is wore than covid" claim.

Movie? lol you are to young to remember the tale, I ain't talking a movie. Never bothered to see it  either. The original tale was Henny Penny, Chicken Little is the story I remember this under from abut 60 years ago.

I am aware that there is an original tale. However, I never read it, only saw the Disney movie. So, could not really refer to it. Is everyone such a jerk in the tale as well ;)?
Age has really little ro do with it. I, as I asume practically everybody else, read a lot of tales/novels/stories much older than I am. I saw a lot of movies, theater plays, operas much older than I am as well :). But we have so many things and so many choices, and such a limited time - we naturally have to chose what we consume and experience.

No, you must experience everything everyday, NO SLEEPING!! You can sleep when you are dead! (but not for the Wu-Flu, that is not gonna kill us)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 11:14 23-Mar-2020

No, you must experience everything everyday, NO SLEEPING!! You can sleep when you are dead! (but not for the Wu-Flu, that is not gonna kill us)

But... but... I like sleeping!  :'(
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 11:18 23-Mar-2020
The death toll in Spain has reached 2,182, the government has announced, after 462 people passed away in the past 24 hours.

Surely this confirms the reality of the situation?

Austria: Deaths jumping by 367 in a day

Italy: Officials announced the deaths of 651 people in Italy, Europe's worst-hit country, on Sunday - a drop of about a fifth from the record 793 deaths the day before

India : "Cow dung has many benefits. I think it can kill the coronavirus. Cow urine can also be useful." says Suman Haripriya of political party BJP. (Can't think what BJP means. Well, yes I can) Nevertheless, the woman is a complete bottom hole.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 11:32 23-Mar-2020
India : "Cow dung has many benefits. I think it can kill the coronavirus. Cow urine can also be useful." says Suman Haripriya of political party BJP. (Can't think what BJP means. Well, yes I can) Nevertheless, the woman is a complete bottom hole.

That's even richer than this priest in Poland getting into a plane and dumping holy water on the whole city, because that will certainly kill the virus.
This Haripriya woman should apply just draw some of that healthy dung directly into her lungs. It will certainly help, as we all know - dead people do not get ill  ;)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jbenet on 18:04 02-Apr-2020
March 23rd is the last reply?

As of 02 April 2020, 928 437 cases of COVID-19 (in accordance with the applied case definitions and testing strategies in the affected countries) have been reported, including 46 891 deaths. It is at the point it will ballooning into 10s of thousands.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases

I was just checking in here to see if ya'll know something; my wife says there was a new healthcare law, a "pick your doctor" law, that says that everyone is to be registered with a doctor who is responsible for you. Her mom and our boys have such a thing, but she wonders if ya'll have any info on expats doing this...

stay safe, wash your hands, and stop licking doorknobs!
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 18:19 02-Apr-2020
March 23rd is the last reply?

As of 02 April 2020, 928 437 cases of COVID-19 (in accordance with the applied case definitions and testing strategies in the affected countries) have been reported, including 46 891 deaths. It is at the point it will ballooning into 10s of thousands.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases

I was just checking in here to see if ya'll know something; my wife says there was a new healthcare law, a "pick your doctor" law, that says that everyone is to be registered with a doctor who is responsible for you. Her mom and our boys have such a thing, but she wonders if ya'll have any info on expats doing this...

stay safe, wash your hands, and stop licking doorknobs!

That's the first I hear of any such new law. My husband mentioned noting of the sort and I saw nothing about that  when I was reading updated quarantine regulations yesterday. Can you cite a source of this? Quick googling revealed nothing to me (I was googling in Ukrainian, so maybe I translated "pick your doctor" differently than it's actually called hence I couldn't find anything?).
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: jbenet on 20:36 02-Apr-2020
It was part of the new Medical Reform, that all people should have a contract "signed declaration" with a doctor, in advance of the need of said doctor.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: fabula_rasa on 20:43 02-Apr-2020
It was part of the new Medical Reform, that all people should have a contract "signed declaration" with a doctor, in advance of the need of said doctor.

Thank you! I wonder what the potential penalties for not having one are.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 22:25 02-Apr-2020

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases


JB, I find

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

to be much more accurate and up to date than the ECDC. As of the time of this post, there are 1,009,478 reported cases. Scroll down the page or click on view by country.

You can then click on each column header for sorts by highest/lowest etc. Shockingly, France has become the new Italy with 1,355 deaths today.

Grim reading, really grim.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 12:14 19-Apr-2020
You are suffering from media hype.

My lungs are worse than yours and I am not worried.

/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

Still suffering from media hype?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 13:09 19-Apr-2020

Still suffering from media hype?


To which hype are you referring?

Those who take this 'flu seriously or those who mass rally in favour of ignoring the warnings?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

and there is more to come, much more.

Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 13:34 19-Apr-2020
Still. Not. Freaked. Out.
When we get to annual Seasonal Flu or 2009 H1N1 then I will be overly concerned. Sorry guys.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks#20022004-severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome-(SARS)
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: UKUA on 14:09 19-Apr-2020
Still. Not. Freaked. Out.
When we get to annual Seasonal Flu or 2009 H1N1 then I will be overly concerned. Sorry guys.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks#20022004-severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome-(SARS)

This baby is worse in reality. Do you remember the world going into lockdown for your seasonal 'flu? Not at all because everyone carried on as normal. Had they done that for the current C-19, we would have seen far, far greater numbers.

The clue is on that ink you provided .....

The fallout of each disease largely depends on other circumstances ? when we catch it, how contagious and fatal it is, how hygienic people are, and how quickly a vaccine or cure becomes available.

That vaccine is a long way off but there's always Donnie's magic hydroxychloroquine while we wait.

I have clean hands, very clean hands!



Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: David Rochlin on 14:57 19-Apr-2020
Hydroxychloroquine appears to help only by reducing inflammatory response which is what kills about 90% of the time.  While this is significant, there are a lot of drugs and even nutritional supplements that might accomplish this.
I take a lot of supplements to suppress inflammation.  One that works rather similarly to Chloroquine is Quercetin although doses of Quercetin might need to be ridiculous high, over two grams, to match limited research as a treatment, mostly on rodents.  And most people who do presently, seriously advocate Hydroxychloroquine as medical professionals would also be suggesting that Z-Pack (Azythromycin) be taken at the same time.  Many antibiotics are also anti-inflammatory drugs.  Hydroxychloroquine alone, might prevent death as an outcome, but it does not prevent length of hospitalization by even one day.
Right now the medical drug darling in testing is Remdesvir, a powerful antiviral that failed as a cure for Ebola, but appears to be more effective against coronaviruses, any coronaviruses.  Researchers leaked that all patients laid out by COVID-19 , in hospital beds were out of danger in mere days, long before they would have been without that treatment.  Remdesvir may also be used to prevent the disease, but the side effects and cost probably make this use impractical.  Probably  the only way you can get Remdesvir would be to buy from black market reagent suppliers or direct from manufacturers in China as a powder. A Chinese company Brightgene appears to be starting up manufacturing as a drug, right now and without permission from the Western IP owner, Gilead.
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Fraucha on 16:24 19-Apr-2020
Here:

https://www9.123movies.fun/film/corona-zombies-100682/
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 10:49 15-Jun-2020
So what is the best way for foreigners (or perhaps anyone) to get tested?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: K24 on 23:23 15-Jun-2020
For what?  PCR or antibody?
Title: Re: What should non-Russian speakers do if/once they get COVID-19?
Post by: Sandora on 04:18 17-Jun-2020
I guess in general, for whoever can benefit. Anecdotally, PCR. Thx;)