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Title: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Billy T on 07:30 05-Feb-2009
So they lose an election pretty hard and this is how they plan on reorganizing and coming back....The GOP today is like what the Dems were a while back-so completely off the rails, flailing about trying to find a purpose and only looking ridiculous....

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/02/joe-the-plumber-in-2015.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/02/joe-the-plumber-in-2015.html)

Bolding by me...

Joe the Plumber in 2015?
February 3, 2009
You’d think Joe the Plumber’s 15 minutes would be up by now. But , no, after a stint as a correspondent in Israel, he took his act to Capitol Hill today.

The first order of business: giving political advice to conservative Republican staffers at breakfast, which, Wurzelbacher told us, “Went really well.”

His advice, essentially, was to take no prisoners in standing up for their beliefs.

“It’s not politically incorrect to say you’re Republican or conservative,” Joe said. “They need to dig their heels in and fight for what needs to be done.”

And no reason to be subtle, he said, as long as folks inform themselves. “I don’t believe there’s two sides to every story. It’s black and white,” Wurzelbacher explained. “There’s right and wrong.”

One thing that needs to be done, he said, is killing this stimulus package, because it’s just another example of “American government” — Republicans and Democrats — “kicking our butts left and right.” He also called it welfare.

As for his own political career, America will just have to wait six years until his son grows up.

“I don’t know if the American public deserve me,” he said, “but my son definitely deserves my time now.”

So look for Joe for Something in 2015. Why not? He’s kept his 15 minutes going this long.

- Michael McAuliff



There isn't two sides to every story, there's black, white, right and wrong- I guess that makes 4 sides?

And no Joe, I don't know if we deserve you...Sure we've sinned and must desreve some sort of punishment but are we really that bad?

Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: EnglishMKyiv on 07:50 05-Feb-2009
Joe the Plumber could be Sarah Palin's choice for VP in 2016 perhaps.

Hopefully by then there will be an affordable warp drive available and I will be able to leave the planet.

Joe
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Packman on 09:21 08-Feb-2009
Sarah and Joe...ummm ::) didn't they already make the film..."Dumb and Dumber" ::)
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 01:04 20-Apr-2009
 :o :o :o

Well...this might turn a few heads.  I need to look at this a lot closer, but I might not just be opposed to the Democratic Party now, but may totally and completely reverse my assessment of anything good I've ever said about Bush and Cheney.  I haven't agreed with them on everything, but have agreed with them on a few things.

At least one of these stood almost without question.  I would have considered it impossible to be wrong on that one... but, just because I saw it with my own eyes, doesn't mean I saw it all.  So far, it is pretty compelling... but I'll report back after I'm completely sure I've been completely wrong.

Leastwise, as far as liberals go - if you can convincingly present well-founded, logical arguments, you will get centrists and even a few right wingers to change their minds.  It might take a while...  ::)
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 20:11 23-Apr-2009
Okay, my slide went into freefall...  What started with watching one YouTube video proceeded into about 10 hours worth of videos.  I'd say about half of this was news clippings from ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, BBC, and PBS that I remember. 

How many people are suspicious about 911? 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 21:03 23-Apr-2009
Okay, my slide went into freefall...  What started with watching one YouTube video proceeded into about 10 hours worth of videos.  I'd say about half of this was news clippings from ABC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, BBC, and PBS that I remember. 

How many people are suspicious about 911? 

911 really was caused by Jumbo jets crashing into the top of the world trade center towers.  It really was a plan hatched by Bin Laden and Al Qaeda just as it appeared on the many video tapes showing huge aircraft doing that.  The many video taped sessions, bragging about his amazing orgy of destruction, really were made by Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders. 
It really was not the first, but the second attempt by Al Qaeda to blow up the trade center, the first effort being the 1993 bombing by the same group.   
   People who ignore what is glaringly obvious, are really motivated more by what they want to be true, than by anything that actually happened.  You don't need alleged and fabricated, stretched, and tenuous evidence, when giant airliners laden with thousands of gallons of fuel, crashed into buildings.  The whole thing is very intuitive.  A child could guess what can happen if airliners crash into buildings.
   I have noticed that Ukrainians greatly prefer to believe these tenuous conspiracy theories, which, are no doubt encouraged greatly by the Russian press and Russia's insular leadership. 
Such views help people justify the politics of ignoring obvious threats in the world, and appeasing terrorists.  It helps them sleep better.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: richardm on 22:11 23-Apr-2009
Correct me if Im wrong but I thought most if these theories were coming out of the States, every 2 minutes someone is releasing a book, documentary or film about their slant on it.

I am not sure the Russian press can be blamed for starting these theories, there are enough people in the States making a good enough job of it from where Im standing!
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 22:35 23-Apr-2009
Correct me if Im wrong but I thought most if these theories were coming out of the States, every 2 minutes someone is releasing a book, documentary or film about their slant on it.

I am not sure the Russian press can be blamed for starting these theories, there are enough people in the States making a good enough job of it from where Im standing!


I didn't intend to suggest that most 911 conspiracy theories originated in Russia.  In fact, they originate all over the world.  As to whether most of them originate in the U.S., I couldn't say.  I am certain most of them don't originate in Russia. 
I only brought Ukraine, and indirectly, Russia into it, because, well, this is Expatua.com.  And I do personally know a Ukrainian true believer, apepoop conspiracy theorist. 
What I mean about Russian involvement is that they have taken some of these fringe ideas, and really run with them to try to make them the predominant view in Eastern Europe.  I will not be surprised if these ideas are taught in history lessons, with the documented facts, shunted aside.  That is really where I was going.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Billy T on 07:17 24-Apr-2009
"9-11 Truthers" are bozos no matter what country they're from.....

People don't trust the government to pay the right price for toilet seats or pencils but then they turn around and believe they could pull of a conspiracy this complicated?...Which is it? Are they the most diabolical cabal of all time or a big incompetent beauracracy?

The simplest explanation is usually the right one...And the 9-11 conspiracy is far from the simplest explanation...
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 17:17 24-Apr-2009
Interesting response.  There's no doubt that planes crashed into the buildings. 

If the simplest answer was always correct, then there would be $400 toilet seats stacked high at Home Depot.  Or, we could say it was a typo.  Obviously, there was no graft involved.  That would involve some sort of conspiracy for someone to make a few extra dollars.  That quite clearly never happens because that would not be the simplest answer.

Obviously being an extreme right wing fundamentalist type, I could just say, "Well, whatever left wingers believe (on anything) is whacked out, because...well, they're left wing nuts."   It seems that is also how the left feels about people on the right. 

Most of the 911 conspiracies were presented by Americans from the start who were mostly (but not entirely) opposed to the Bush-Cheney administration.  I haven't reached a conclusion yet, not that anyone will care what my conclusion is... and not that I care what anyone else thinks about it or me. 

I'm kind of surprised by the response though, shouldn't be - it's not different than what my response would have been.  So, it has me wondering really what the threshold is to convince anyone to even **consider** something contrary to their strongly held views? 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Billy T on 07:59 27-Apr-2009
I'm not saying a conspiracy is absolutely impossible....Everything under the sun is possible...But up to this point the overwhelming preponderance of evidence points to two planes crashing into buildings, piloted by 19 mostly Saudi dudes... A conspiracy of bad accounting and graft is not quite the same thing as a conspiracy of televised mass murder, but you knew that.....

The evidence for conspiracy is the same sort of U.N. black helicopter, tri-lateral, reptoid, illuminati stuff we've been hearing for years from people both far right and far left on the political spectrum....One could even say it's become a sort of "boy who cried wolf" situation...If there was credible evidence put forward by these fringers, it would be rendered less noticeable due to the fact that since McCarthy, there has been endless warnings of various shadow cabals, and so far none of them have come true and most people pay no heed anymore.....

It seems to me to be another movement by people who "need" to have fear of something.....The reality that 19 yahoos are willing to fly themselves into buildings apparently isn't scary enough, so we need some darker, more mysterious boogeyman....

If 9-11 were an inside job, it would have to have had at least some of the former Admin involved, so if we are going to go down this road, it leads us to why didn't they plant WMD's in Iraq? Why didn't they come up with convincing "evidence" of Saddam Hussein's govt with 9-11 or Al Queada? Both of these things would have been easier to pull off than 9-11....It makes no sense, IMHO, that a government would pull off a Riechstag fire, then fail to have the next steps such as planting WMD's in Iraq, ready to go....Were they sitting around on 9-12, going "well golly gee that worked, what was it we were gonna do next? I think we forgot to plan for the next stage-oops!"...They find a few vials of bio or chemical agent in Iraq, and the entire war and their entire reshaping the middle east agenda has political cover for years to come, but they blow that off after this 9-11 conspiracy....that doesn't make any sense to me....
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 00:33 28-Apr-2009
Well... there is some argument that at least some of the 19 hijackers received some assistance.  It could be left simply to a consistent pattern of intelligence failures.  I could easily believe that.  There are four items that convince me otherwise. 

One, is that an army unit (Able Danger) assigned to track the hijackers leaving Pakistan had accumulated a substantial amount of data and was asked to (and did) destroy it.  Testimony to this effect was made to Congress and is on video. 

Two, is that WTC #7 was a controlled detonation.  It takes a little bit of time to set up demolitions for a 47 story building - more than a few hours. 

Three, the former lead investigator into Bin Laden for the FBI, John O'Neil, resigned over the way things were being handled.  He takes a job at the WTC.  He dies on his first or second day on the job.  I don't think that is indicative of a plot against him, rather I think he had a good idea of what was coming.   Maybe not the how, but the where.  I wouldn't rule out something more to this, just oddly ironic any way one looks at it.

Four, the whole air defense response.  Just a few months before, the protocol for responding to planes going off-track was for the flight controllers to contact NORAD.  That was changed to where they had to go through the Pentagon first, and the Pentagon would contact NORAD.  Air Force response changed three times over the course of Sept. 11.  The ultimate story was that there was a training exercise involving the same exact scenario (multiple hijackings) and a) there were no jets available to scramble, b) they didn't know which planes were real or part of the exercise.  Theoretically, the Air Force should have a plane at the wingtip of any aircraft violating air space within 10 minutes, and in all four cases, there was between 30 and 90 minutes of response time. 

At some point, it would seem to me that it's not too far out of line to raise an eyebrow, or two.  These are the four points that raise my eyebrows.   There's a point where things stop being coincidence. 

Normally, I wouldn't believe this either.  I saw the planes crash into the buildings, too - no dispute whatsoever there.  One by one, none of these points alone amount to much.  Taken together and they raise reasonable doubt. 

What I find especially interesting, and even in my own case, is my willingness to ignore anything other than the official version - that was pretty much what we knew within the first week/month of 911.  Give a group of people 7-8 years to research things and maybe a lot of it is bunk, and then again... do you believe people trying to disprove the government or do you believe the same government telling you that there are WMD's in Iraq?

So, again, it is a matter of consistency of argument.  Essentially, what the stance I'm seeing is that since the government was wrong on A (Iraq) that it is correct on B (911). 

Two very different scenarios. 

We had minimal ability to plant evidence in Iraq because it was hostile to any efforts to do so.  Fact that there was at least some WMD's in Iraq still seems to be ignored by everyone - fact was that mustard/vx gas artillery shells were mixed into conventional stocks.  Along with this, it was not the UN's role to prove that Iraq had the WMD's, it was Iraq's responsibility to prove that it did not have them. Had the US stuck to the basic mandates of the UN and not stretched it to the terrorism issue, most of the issues we have today would be nullified.   That link while tenuous was not without merit, for the simple fact that Tariq Aziz claimed in 2002 on international television that Iraq provides the families of Palestinian suicide bombers with $10K.  They even gave quarter to Abu Nidal, who incidentally was assassinated in Baghdad in the summer of 2002.

I'm not as yet convinced that there were secondary explosions to indicate that additional bombs had been planted into either of the two towers.  I am convinced between the four points above that there is no simple explanation about 911 from the research others are presenting.  The odds of all four of these being coincidental are pretty astronomical simply on the air force point alone. 

I consider the US military to be among the best in the world, even when it is at its worst.  I never really stopped to look at how or why the air force wouldn't have responded to four planes leaving their flight paths and refusing to return over 30 - 90 minutes.  I think the Air Force is remarkably efficient, and from a little bit of experience with them.  If they had actually responded to at least one of the planes... that would be one story, but all four? 

If I listened to the sane people who said I would be nuts just for even considering that the official story was wrong... then that would not be too different from never questioning Papal Infallibility.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 03:51 02-May-2009
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM (http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM) - I know at least one person on this forum knows what thermite is capable of doing.  This link covers some scientific analysis of dust from the WTC and indicates that some form of thermite was present.  What that means exactly is open to question, but applying that "simplest explanation" idea starts getting a lot more complicated pretty fast.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Madrigal on 04:59 02-May-2009
My two cents:

I do not necessarily believe that is was a super plot hatched by a secret panel of cloak wearing baby sacrificing extremists seeking out to control the entire world with their inbred bloodlines (ok ok so I have studied some secret societies and some elitist family bloodlines and yes SOME of the things you hear are true, not many however).

Some things that just don't sit well with me about the whole 9/11 happenings.

#1. The largest put positions in the history of American Airlines were put on the stock less than 48hours before 9/11 attacks. (someone knew something and it didn't come from a store bought "Magic 8-ball".)

#2. Some of the MOST influential and powerful people who worked in the towers and "rarely" took days off somehow all seemed to have decided to take the day off.

#3. I know people that work in private Aviation and have for over thirty years and they still think it is absolutely preposterous that 2 large commercial air crafts go "silent" for as long as they did without some serious redflags coming up.

#4. The government has even made "Dummy" mockups terrifyingly similar to the 9/11 proceedings in 1962
See Operation Northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf)
 So it is not like they were not prepared or had never A.) Thought of such scenariors and B.) Even created Hollywood quality real conspiracies themselves, this used to be Classified people, don't comment on it unless you read it in its entirety.


There are a lot of conspiracies out there, but then again there are a lot of FACTS as well, facts that to a logical mind just do not make any sense at all. These are the things I often ponder, I think a good "Theory" (let's drop the conspiracy for a second) is that there could have been political agendas to invade the Middle East for a long time, some onerous acronym caught wind of a planned strike and said "Hmm Opportunity" maybe we should just turn a blind eye, this is just the ticket we need to get the public to seed away their liberties, let us monitor their every move and give us free reign to do whatever the hell we want!

I think this is a much more plausible scenario than the ones I see floating around on all these DVD websites.

Remember, in Chinese the Character for Crisis and Opportunity are the same thing....

We can all say that anyone who thinks that the USA would knowingly do such a thing to its people willfully, well they are just plain insane of course.

On the other hand several years into the Vietnam Conflict (it was never officially a war, but a police action) when our powers that be at that present time realized we never had a snowball's chance in hell of victory they continued to pluck young boys fresh from High School, give them a few weeks of training and toss them into a Guerrilla warfare meatgrinder. That sounds equally as insane to me and it was a reality, a very tragic one wrought with PTSD suicides post war, handicapped veterans and a general lack of compassion for these drafted soldiers.

Iraq and Afghanistan do not hold a candle to Vietnam but we are getting to that point now that many of our current generations have forgotten these atrocities in Asia so it was the right time to start another. What did we learn from WWI? Ehh, nothing really, how about WWII hmmm I wouldn't guess that we really learned too much more as a species really wars are just now more of the financial kind than ones with bullets and missles.

Technology has kind of removed the fun of sending the blue collars to the trenches because too many countries have an unfair advantage.

The saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is actually quite true, it just depends on which side of the fence you are on in regards to which is the terrorist and which is the freedom fighter.

Thomas Jefferson in the eyes of the British government = Terrorist
Thomas Jefferson in the eyes of a colonist = Hero and Freedom Fighter

Try to deny that fact and you are just a hypocrite haha.

9/11 made me sick to watch, I had several friends who had their lives altered forever (one of my good friends still gets white knuckles when we are in Manhattan and he is riding the elevator past the 20th floor).

However, I am a student of history and no one ever seems to recall the greatest terrorist attack in American History (the attempted genocide and all but successful extinction of the Native American People, yet no one ever talks about them really ever, I guess Native American's are second rate human beings that deserved the first fully documented and accepted biological warfare attacks (Smallpox blankets given to them as gifts in the winter).

I guess in America there are not more and more museums and memorials for Natives because in order to do so we would have to freely and openly not only admit but embrace that as Americans our ancestors brutally raped, murdered and maimed Indian men, women and children without remorse. Yuck!!! Turn on sponge bob kids and get ready for bed, we are going to Disneyland tomorrow that is a lot happier than thinking about them darn Indians!!

Sorry I jumped off topic, just got excited  ::)


In closing however, if someone can find me irrefutable PROOF that there has ever been a victory against guerrilla warfare by the invader (the organized military body, Example: Russia vs Afghanistan) and can provide this to me for me to read, evaluate and understand I will buy them a beer when I get to Odessa two weeks from now.


M
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 05:29 02-May-2009
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM (http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM) - I know at least one person on this forum knows what thermite is capable of doing.  This link covers some scientific analysis of dust from the WTC and indicates that some form of thermite was present.  What that means exactly is open to question, but applying that "simplest explanation" idea starts getting a lot more complicated pretty fast.

The British Navy discovered during the Falklands War, much to its dismay, that when subjected to extremely high temperatures, a ship made from aluminum can catch fire and burn like, well thermite.
Thermite is fairly simple in its composition, and all the metals required, are common building materials used in any building in large quantities.  Aluminum, Iron, Chromium, Silicon Copper and so on.  It seems more likely that the authors are simply examining various amalgams of metals that have a dual use.  Yes, they can be used to make thermite, but... The World Trade Center was made out of them.

Another matter to consider.  The amount of thermite required to burn through the major support columns of one of the towers and melt the quantities of metal that were melted in them, and cause the kind of persistent fires that went on for weeks,  is not tons, but tens of tons of thermite.
It just would not be an efficient way to destroy a building.  Thermite is used for small military and civilian jobs.  I don't know of any case where anyone would choose thermite for either a civilian or military application, where tons of the stuff would be applied, let alone inside a large building, near the top.  

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm (http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm)
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Carlusha on 07:29 02-May-2009


Thomas Jefferson in the eyes of the British government = Terrorist
Thomas Jefferson in the eyes of a colonist = Hero and Freedom Fighter

Try to deny that fact and you are just a hypocrite haha.

I was going to suggest you try telling that to the native indians but then I read on ......


However, I am a student of history and no one ever seems to recall the greatest terrorist attack in American History (the attempted genocide and all but successful extinction of the Native American People, yet no one ever talks about them really ever, I guess Native American's are second rate human beings that deserved the first fully documented and accepted biological warfare attacks (Smallpox blankets given to them as gifts in the winter).

I guess in America there are not more and more museums and memorials for Natives because in order to do so we would have to freely and openly not only admit but embrace that as Americans our ancestors brutally raped, murdered and maimed Indian men, women and children without remorse. Yuck!!! Turn on sponge bob kids and get ready for bed, we are going to Disneyland tomorrow that is a lot happier than thinking about them darn Indians!!


So true and so sad.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 23:24 05-May-2009
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf (http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf) -

The best way to avoid being considered a terrorist...

Have hair, be an atheist and pacifist in support of war, enjoy paying taxes, disregard the Constitution, disregard anyone who would have the balls to defend someone else's rights (much less their own), don't own a weapon, have no interest in economics or politics of any kind, be willing to have sex with anyone, occasionally litter and don't recycle, have an older computer system with dial-up computer access, don't own a pet, and only watch official news sources like CNN and MSNBC. 

First, the DHS will go after bald people.  Get your hair implants NOW before it's TOO LATE! 

At Mark's Hair Implants for Men, we're running a special - buy one hair and get the second free! 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Madrigal on 23:45 05-May-2009
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf (http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf) -

The best way to avoid being considered a terrorist...

Have hair, be an atheist and pacifist in support of war, enjoy paying taxes, disregard the Constitution, disregard anyone who would have the balls to defend someone else's rights (much less their own), don't own a weapon, have no interest in economics or politics of any kind, be willing to have sex with anyone, occasionally litter and don't recycle, have an older computer system with dial-up computer access, don't own a pet, and only watch official news sources like CNN and MSNBC. 

First, the DHS will go after bald people.  Get your hair implants NOW before it's TOO LATE! 

At Mark's Hair Implants for Men, we're running a special - buy one hair and get the second free! 


Mark,

Does this include styling before I come to look for my new Ukrainian mail order bride?
:)
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 23:45 05-May-2009
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf (http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/lexicon.pdf) -

The best way to avoid being considered a terrorist...

Have hair, be an atheist and pacifist in support of war, enjoy paying taxes, disregard the Constitution, disregard anyone who would have the balls to defend someone else's rights (much less their own), don't own a weapon, have no interest in economics or politics of any kind, be willing to have sex with anyone, occasionally litter and don't recycle, have an older computer system with dial-up computer access, don't own a pet, and only watch official news sources like CNN and MSNBC. 

First, the DHS will go after bald people.  Get your hair implants NOW before it's TOO LATE! 

At Mark's Hair Implants for Men, we're running a special - buy one hair and get the second free! 

The recent DHS list did profile certain eco terrorists who might (partially,)  fit your profile.  There has been a push to curtail the activities and arrest Animal Liberation Front (ALF,)  terrorists, such has the ones who have burned down research facilities, McMansions, and car dealerships and released thousands of minks and killed thousands of chickens (prematurely.)   Although the emphasis on this DHS initiative might change with the Obama Administration.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 01:46 06-May-2009
Hey Madrigal!  Hair styling?  Yes, we have a Rastafarian specialist on call 24 hours a day!

I'm really just having fun here...and with everything that follows, below.

The above post was half-joking, half-serious...  The problem is that it is half-serious.  Normally, I wouldn't really care as I actually support the Patriot Act and by merely supporting that, and being a, um, Patriot - per this document could invite scrutiny for being a terrorist.

Even then, I would not normally care, because I think most people are pretty reasonable.   But then, there was that case in Texas where a TSA employee used a pair of pliers to pull out someone's titty-ring.  Just in case you think I'm nuts to think such a thing happened, here are two credible references:

http://cbs5.com/local/nipple.rings.flight.2.686288.html (http://cbs5.com/local/nipple.rings.flight.2.686288.html)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23830845/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23830845/)

No one stopped and said, "Dude, do you really think that someone is going to go so far as to get a breast enlargement using C-4 instead of silicone and cap it with a tittie-ring to blow up an airplane?"

Worse yet... More than three TSA employees were involved.  That puts a monkey wrench into the logic that even a majority of people are reasonable.  Maybe it's just a bad sampling, as of course we are talking about an entire agency filled with people who couldn't get jobs anywhere else. 

On the other hand, we could use this as a poster case of just how ultra-efficient and on their toes the whole TSA security program is - because there haven't been any other major hijackings since 9/11. 

Hmmm...now that I think about it, I always thought the best job in the world would be working for the ATF - sit around drink beer, smoke cigarettes and shoot people all day.  But this TSA thing sounds kind of fun! 

You can bet these security professionals are still bragging about how they uncovered a left tit extremist plot.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Madrigal on 03:03 06-May-2009
Yeah I love the TSA and Racial Profiling, I just try to hop behind the most Muslim or Middle Eastern looking guy in line for security, its basically a mulligan that you will get through without a problem whilst they anally explore him simply for having a ratty beard and smelling of curry and garlic.

I did get stopped one time because I was speaking Russian to my girlfriend in line at JFK Airport, granted I guess I shouldn't have been on the phone waiting in line but it was a last minute change in plans.

The guy pulls me to the side and asked me "Is that Arabic?" I about died laughing and asked him if he got out much...I was shocked beyond belief that this guy thought any Slavic language sounded like Arabic, it was nuts.

To me that is like mistaking Chinese for Icelandic, at least good ole Barry O'Bama and the Wee Lil People of Capitol Hill are starting to make people dig Americans a bit more, IMO that is about all he has done or will do, he can go around the globe giving BAPS to presidents like Ch?vez and we will be all good cuz!

At the pinnacle of Bush's dynasty you would be shocked how many times I had to flash my blue book at border crossings and people would roll their eyes, say "Bush is an Asshole" (or worse) and sometimes call me an asshole just for being an American, I couldn't get a word in edge wise, Asia despised us, in Pataya Thailand it was "Hey American F*ck You" and then "$25 dowra I your girlfriend" Literally, Thailand is one of the most interesting places in the world to go and the best place if you are looking to get in trouble.

Thai police force makes Ukrainian cops look like saints handing out Mardis Gras Beads
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 12:51 06-May-2009
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6229529.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6229529.ece)

I took a screen shot just to make sure that I have a copy of that picture should they take it down. 

This deserves a little bit of analysis per that "simplest explanation" theory. 

First explanation is that it is a simple mistake.  An extremely glaring one that got through all of the the ultra-professionals surrounding Mr. Brown.  So, if they didn't catch that big mistake, what else are they not catching?  Inquiring minds want to know!

Second explanation is ruled out because it's obviously not a typo.  There are no keys on the keyboard that print out complete full-colored swastikas. 

Third explanation is that someone photoshopped it in.  That's really not the simplest explanation, as that would mean there was a conspiracy involved...and obviously there's no such thing.

Fourth explanation is that someone needed some artwork to conceal whatever was behind the swastika - and that piece of paper was the only thing available. 

Fifth explanation is that they put it there on purpose.  That's a pretty simple explanation.  Oh, ho, ho - Gordon Brown a Fascist?  Hahaha. 

There are no acceptable explanations to this one, indeed - if the first explanation is correct, then we probably DON'T want to know what other mistakes he's making...

I only spend time on it because I almost fell out of my chair laughing and nearly choking on my coffee when I saw this picture. 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: P-N on 13:06 06-May-2009

An extremely glaring one that got through all of the the ultra-professionals surrounding Mr. Brown. 


Oxymoron - There are no professionals in the UK cabinet.  Blears, Smith, Harperson, Balls, Miliband Bros are all well out of their league.  The only one capable is Lord "Vortamort" Mandleson....who is so unpopular nothing he can do is deemed right......even if it is right!  ::) ::)


Fifth explanation is that they put it there on purpose.  That's a pretty simple explanation.  Oh, ho, ho - Gordon Brown a Fascist?  Hahaha. 


If Gordon "No more Boom & Bust....British jobs for British People" Brown is actually a facscist........it will be the first f*cking principle of his that he has stuck to in 12 years of mismanagement!

Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 13:52 06-May-2009

An extremely glaring one that got through all of the the ultra-professionals surrounding Mr. Brown. 


Oxymoron - There are no professionals in the UK cabinet.  Blears, Smith, Harperson, Balls, Miliband Bros are all well out of their league.  The only one capable is Lord "Vortamort" Mandleson....who is so unpopular nothing he can do is deemed right......even if it is right!  ::) ::)


Fifth explanation is that they put it there on purpose.  That's a pretty simple explanation.  Oh, ho, ho - Gordon Brown a Fascist?  Hahaha. 


If Gordon "No more Boom & Bust....British jobs for British People" Brown is actually a facscist........it will be the first f*cking principle of his that he has stuck to in 12 years of mismanagement!

Here is proof that Gordon Brown has been wallowing in Nazi iconography for at least a year:

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-labour-macht-frei.html (http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-labour-macht-frei.html)

My take is that he is more a victim of the zeitgeist of his generation, than a proponent of fascism.  Of course he does also like to flog the "New World Order," on a regular basis.  But, the fascist connotation in America doesn't seem to apply as much to UK politics.
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 15:13 11-May-2009
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/City-Starts-Charging-Rent-at-Homeless-Shelters.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/City-Starts-Charging-Rent-at-Homeless-Shelters.html) - I suppose charging people who stay in homeless shelters is fair, but this is precisely the kind of logic that is killing the United States.  As unemployment increases we need to increase taxes and find more creative taxes on the people who do work.   That sort of suppresses the economy...
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Carlusha on 15:44 11-May-2009
If you can be bothered to read the list behind the link below, you will see why Gordon McClown is is no different from the pathetic twat Tony the B Liar.

New Labour milking the UK (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/garbagegate/item2/stealth.htm)


Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 16:31 11-May-2009
Quite agree - and part of why I wouldn't invest in the pound.  It just amazes me that so many people put up with this - anywhere. 





Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 00:50 13-May-2009
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-posts-first-April-budget-rb-15222767.html?.v=4 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-posts-first-April-budget-rb-15222767.html?.v=4)

Receipts for April, normally the year's biggest revenue month due to the April 15 deadline for federal income tax filing, fell to $266.23 billion from $403.75 billion in April 2008. Both individual and corporate income tax payments fell sharply from a year earlier.

But outlays set another April record, rising to $287.14 billion from $244.47 billion a year earlier.

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Income shrinks by 34% and spending increases by 17.4%...
So...obviously, as we start making less, we should spend even more! 

Let's never question conventional wisdom... ;D 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 13:35 27-May-2009
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html)
Millionaires Go Missing
Maryland's fleeced taxpayers fight back.
Wall Street Journal MAY 27, 2009

Maryland couldn't balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O'Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were "willing and able to pay their fair share." The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would "grin and bear it."

One year later, nobody's grinning. One-third of the millionaires have disappeared from Maryland tax rolls. In 2008 roughly 3,000 million-dollar income tax returns were filed by the end of April. This year there were 2,000, which the state comptroller's office concedes is a "substantial decline." On those missing returns, the government collects 6.25% of nothing. Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year -- even at higher rates.


I find this sickeningly funny in that New Jersey is one of those Blue "tax, borrow and spend" states.  The obvious solution is to increase taxes some more.  We need at least another 125 million people to be voting with their feet - take all of their money and move to poor countries, and help turn them into rich countries, with vibrant economies.  Let the borrow, tax and spend folk remain where they are - with no one making enough money to tax and no one willing to lend them a dime.   ;D  I just can't help it...
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 14:23 27-May-2009
There are a lot of ways capital flees the U.S.  Lately I have noticed people buying stocks in China, considering China to be a bastion of stability and growth, disregarding their own issues with risk and transparency.  The people buying those stocks would never have touched a foreign equity of any kind, just two years ago. Now, this might be the backbone of their portfolio.
  The WSJ article points out that most of these lost Millionaire returns were not taxpayers changing their residency or leaving, but rather just crisis related drops in income.  They don't have any real figures on changes in millionaire residencies. 
   It is a popular idea, (and obviously, especially so with expats,) that you can just go to some foreign country and teach the aboriginals how to get rich, and develop technology or a powerhouse of an economy.  You can help, but if they want it, they figure it out for themselves.  If they prefer to run their countries into the ground, then they seem to do that, regardless of whatever help might be available. 
  The flaw of capitalism is that as every country does get rich and increasingly productive, the world gradually drowns in goods, and it gets harder to stay innovative enough to have something to sell.  Americans have what, 1.23 cars per licensed driver?  But, we will save our economy by making more cars? Maybe we, everyone need to make something else and maybe the crisis will be resolved when we are making things people want more than extra cars. 
 
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: Billy T on 07:45 04-Jun-2009
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html)
Millionaires Go Missing
Maryland's fleeced taxpayers fight back.
Wall Street Journal MAY 27, 2009

Maryland couldn't balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O'Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were "willing and able to pay their fair share." The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would "grin and bear it."

etc etc....

Not so fast....

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2009/06/01/the-downwardly-mobile-millionaires/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2009/06/01/the-downwardly-mobile-millionaires/)

Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: MWDabbs on 03:59 06-Jun-2009
Good point but only serves to reinforce the matter further.  Keep increasing taxes when incomes are going down - great way to create jobs!   Doesn't much matter if they moved or if they lost wealth - though the first is far funnier and yes some of them are moving, believe it or not.  Yes, lots simply lost money and with it their millionaire title.  That is worse, even fewer people to bail government out of trouble.  Wait, that's a good thing!

Keep raising taxes though.  Keep supporting those who do.  Let them keep borrowing money, printing money and do everything except get a balanced checkbook. Let the government take over your business, too.  Almost inclined to think the Security Fence on the Texas Border was created to keep Americans out of Mexico!    ;D
Title: Re: The continuing GOP slide into absurdity
Post by: David Rochlin on 09:11 19-Dec-2009
Frankly, though, I am more interested in getting to the bottom of this:

Posted to Digg:

http://i.imgur.com/Ge1hS.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Ge1hS.jpg)