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Title: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 21:57 01-Apr-2012
(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytown.jpg)

Spy town - theme tune (http://www.televisiontunes.com/Prisoner_-_Closing_Theme_(The).html)

Iowa in Ukraine

Theirs been a buzz of excitement amongst the Urban explorer community in Ukraine
over an abandoned town in one of the remotest areas of Ukraine.
At first it was dismissed as being a Soviet settlement for workers engaged at a
nearby military plant, that was abandoned long ago before the collapse of the
Soviet Union.
From the outside it looks like a town but a highly unusual one, that's surrounded
by barbed wire and watchtowers. Therefore the Urban explorers decided to go in
and check it out where, to their surprise they find 'american style fire hydrants' at
regular intervals along the semi-overgrown pavements with American street signs at
many intersections and road junctions.

American fire-hydrants found in the abandoned Ukrainian ghost town

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Firehydrant2.jpg)

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/FireHydrant3.jpg)


The architecture of the town being most unusual, as it resembles the buildings and
houses of the American mid-west of the late 1950's or early 1960's, rather than the
Soviet style buildings of the same era in Ukraine.
Although nature has reclaimed many of the roads, pavements and gardens that line
the streets of the deserted ghost town, the buildings still stand out. At the centre are
the shops, stores and diners ( some containing a jukebox ) that you would find in
any American town of its day,  with the greatest excitement being, the discovery
of a long abandoned MacDonald's restaurant, one of the first to open and trade
in the former Soviet Union.

As the explorers delved deeper they came across a church, a school and a college.
Upon entering the buildings, they find many of the desks and chairs still in place
with books strewn across the tables and floor, many being English or American
text books.
Although the school contains a playground, its a playground that's hardly been
used, for besides the flaking of paint and rust that you would associate with any
abandoned town, the see-saws, swings and carousel's show none of the usual
wear and tear from children at play ?

Guard Post reveals all

At the entrance to the town, they came across a guard post which although locked,
they decide to enter and find amongst the desks and filing cabinets, the true
purpose of the abandoned town.  As it turns out to be a training centre for spies
but no ordinary spies but deep cover agents, variously called illegal's or
sleepers recruited from amongst the Soviet Union's top English language students,
with a sense for adventure and an aptitude for English, where they could pass themselves off as a native speakers without any hint of a foreign accent.
Recruited by the First Directorate of the KGB, for foreign intelligence work abroad,
these aspiring deep cover agents had to be fully immersed in american ways,
habits and culture, so they not only look, speak and act like Americans but
behave like Americans as well.

Photo's of the Spy town in its heyday

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytownussr.jpg)

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytownussr1.jpg)


Restrictions on foreign travel outside the USSR

The biggest problem the KGB faced, when recruiting deep cover agents or illegal's
was Soviet restrictions on travel outside the USSR. Therefore many of their
recruits had little or no comprehension of what daily life was really like in the west,
other than what they saw on TV or American movies. Only Soviet diplomatic staff
and their families had any exposure to life in the west which is probably why
( modern day KGB ) the SVR were able to talent spot Anna Chapman, as being
most comfortable in the west, being a former Soviet ambassador's daughter.
Therefore all the KGB's young 'deep cover' recruits, had to be initiated in Spy
School's which were training camps based in specially constructed towns,
resembling English or American towns, somewhere in the Soviet Union.
These training camps would last for years where the candidate would assume
the identity of an American or English man ( usually a real person, someone who
had died in childhood, called dead doubles ) the same as identity theft, in order
to pass themselves off as real people who had been born and bred in either
the UK or United States.
To help them in their training the KGB employed the best linguists from the
Soviet Union, as well as calling on the services of retired deep cover agents who
would blend themselves into the everyday life of 'The Village' as permanent
residents.
Therefore when the time came for them to assume their new ( deep cover ) roles
in their assigned country, they would hopefully blend in seamlessly into their
new surroundings.

New York Times feature, 1000's of Russian Spies in US, surpassing Cold War record (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/record_mole_russia_cold_surpass_K6S6j9QENZeRCOSEvhvYtO/0)

Cold War era training towns might still exist in Russia (http://chuck.hubpages.com/hub/Russian-Spies-in-the-Film-SALT-and-in-America)


Small town espionage, CIA exposes Spy Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcabmWRGIXU#)

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: BritKyiv on 22:10 01-Apr-2012
Note to Lt Campers:
Did you ever try living in the present day and start thinking about the future?
Just an idea.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 22:23 01-Apr-2012
Spy Town's - variation's on a theme in popular Spy Programs, like The Prisoner

Best opening excerpt from The Prisoner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriI#)

Note to Lt Campers:
Did you ever try living in the present day and start thinking about the future?
Just an idea.

No - just call me Nostalgic, besides an awfull lot of interesting things happened in the past.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: babajaga on 22:26 01-Apr-2012
Any idea, where this "Spy Town" is located ?
I like to explore the old secrets of the USSR, so this would be an interesting new destination.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: sjg-uk on 04:22 02-Apr-2012
Very interesting story. Do you have more details , location etc ?
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Andrew on 08:20 02-Apr-2012
Some story - if any details will be available , I would love see this place - right after my Chernobyl trip.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Fraucha on 09:57 02-Apr-2012
I have seen this before, a long time ago. The photos clearly triggered a memory ....
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: David Rochlin on 10:02 02-Apr-2012
This is a story, published internationally in 1959, about such a town in Ukraine, but this is probably Vinnitsya and that places it close to an Urban area.  Still, a village location near Vinnitsya would be isolated, enough.  And the description matches perfectly, down to the jukebox...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19590413&id=5-9QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uiUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7153,2203838 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19590413&id=5-9QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uiUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7153,2203838)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Fraucha on 10:20 02-Apr-2012
Well, I do remember this film for sure when at D.L.I.

from below

They told us where it was, we had some photos and a person who was there but I have to look deeper.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Fraucha on 06:25 03-Apr-2012
Judging from the photos shown, it is no way American architecture, it looks like the typical Soviet style crap you can see anywhere. The fire hydrants are not enough. Had the article shown photos of the places described it would be more convincing. These is no metadata embedded in the supplied photos.

One of my favorites might be 49?24'31.02" N  28?29'47.52" E on Google Earth, complete with some deliberate "White outs"

It would be fun to find one of these towns, if only to see if they could have actually made concrete sidewalks that haven't crumbled apart like the stuff they made only 10 years ago around here.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: clanholmes on 08:07 03-Apr-2012
Note to Lt Campers:
Did you ever try living in the present day and start thinking about the future?
Just an idea.

Bet your wife says the same thing about your clothes.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 13:13 03-Apr-2012
Note to Lt Campers:
Did you ever try living in the present day and start thinking about the future?
Just an idea.

Bet your wife says the same thing about your clothes.

Nevertheless, my attire's just right when reporting from re-enactment's.  ;)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 14:26 03-Apr-2012
German's arrest Russian deep cover agents in Marburg

Here's an interesting news story from Der Spiegel last year concerning the
arrest of a South American couple, Andreas and Heidrun. Who acquired Austrian
citizenship back in the 1980's and moved to West Germany in 1988. Where
they have been living as a typical suburban couple for over 23 years. Both were
given false id's and legends by the KGB before going deep undercover in Germany,
where they moved to Marburg, becoming quite friendly and active in the local
community as perfect neighbours.
Apparently the espionage charges against the couple are difficult to prosecute,
as the couple were engaged in 'soft spying' that is diseminating reports from
various sources on US foreign policy in Europe.
Nevertheless the case is an interesting one, as it shows how modern day
russian agents, still use of the old spycraft methods & techiniques perfected
during the Cold War of dead drops, brush passes, secret shortwave radio
messages ( yes the old Numbers Stations again ), invisible ink and coded
messages.

Germans arrest middle aged couple, accused of spying (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,793707,00.html)

Quote from the link below:

A former British intelligence officer, is quoted as saying there were several
"villages"in the former Soviet Union built to replicate U.S. and British towns.
Prospective spies not only studied English there, but they also underwent
a "deep immersion" in the subtleties of American life.
Everything from the cars to the post offices was westernized.
The lessons included "knowing that you stand in line, you don't rush
to front of the queue, all of these kind of things.


More on Soviet, American villages (http://articles.philly.com/2010-07-08/news/24965402_1_kgb-russian-agents-american-life)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Andriy84 on 14:34 03-Apr-2012
Seems like an April Fool Day's joke  :)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Glyn Thomas. on 14:56 03-Apr-2012
Any idea, where this "Spy Town" is located ?

Looks the spitting image of Kharkov now... except the roads look better.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 15:54 03-Apr-2012
Any idea, where this "Spy Town" is located ?
Looks like those american cars, are finding their way onto the internet !!
Note - its hidden away on this website but if you scroll down and select
'Car Talk' it should stand out in the forum.

Spy town cars for sale ? (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://usa-car.com.ua/&ei=SAt7T7fBOMSp8QOvwoXbCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://usa-car.com.ua/forum%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvnsfd)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Fraucha on 16:05 03-Apr-2012
Seems like an April Fool Day's joke  :)

 :D :D :D  : NO it's not.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: David Rochlin on 19:53 03-Apr-2012
There is a current news story that Russian spy/cover girl Anna Chapman was about to ensnare an Obama cabinet member in a honeytrap, precipitating the arrest of the spy ring. 

Soviet era concrete and cement work is famously good, actually.  That's why lots of Ukrainians prefer to own a Soviet era apartment over something more recent.  the old stuff was so overbuilt.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Carlusha on 20:23 03-Apr-2012

Soviet era concrete and cement work is famously good, actually.  That's why lots of Ukrainians prefer to own a Soviet era apartment over something more recent.  the old stuff was so overbuilt.


True, David. They are known as Stalinkas! However, the early attempts were crap and downright dangerous. The later buildings you see these days are very solid but still have problems plus no elevators!

These were followed by Khrushchyovkas from the 1960s and most of these are ready for demolition if not already removed.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 20:47 03-Apr-2012
How the Spy Town academies generated the perfect deep cover agents

Judging by the posts and feedback I'm getting, it looks like I've aroused
the curiousity of many expats, into the murky world of 'sleeper cells' and
deep cover espionage.
Of course having graduated from these Spy Academies, fully kitted out with
false identities, purloined from the birth certificates of american or british
children who died in childhood but are, to all intents and purposes, the 'dead
double' ( in terms of age, date of birth, etc ) of their new idenitity. Having
memorised every facet of their background until its ingrained in their psyche,
they would be able to recite, with ease their new family history, as if it was
their own and fill in the missing gap years with a plausible legend of the
schools, colleges, universities and jobs held in the past before entering
the United States.

Now its time to check out one of these Sleeper Cell's in action as they
settle down to family life in the United States and see whether they
are able to 'pass muster' with friends and neighbours before finally
being betrayed by an SVR defector, who exposes the snug little spy ring
to the FBI.

BBC video - FBI expose Sleeper cell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00qqnj8)

The above video clip is from a new BBC2 documentary called Modern Day Spies.
Which looks at how espionage has adjusted to new threats since the end of the Cold
War, broadening its range of recruits. But also taking into account that many of the
old Cold War rivalries and adversaries still remain.      :)   ;)  :)

BBC2 documentary, Modern Day Spies (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01fnqr8)

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: babajaga on 21:28 03-Apr-2012
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Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: babajaga on 21:31 03-Apr-2012

Soviet era concrete and cement work is famously good, actually.  That's why lots of Ukrainians prefer to own a Soviet era apartment over something more recent.  the old stuff was so overbuilt.


True, David. They are known as Stalinkas! However, the early attempts were crap and downright dangerous. The later buildings you see these days are very solid but still have problems plus no elevators!

The best and most expensive "Stalinkas", for instance in SPb, were built after the War. By German POWs.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Andriy84 on 08:37 04-Apr-2012
I can imagine another interesting function of such towns: propaganda.
Having a US looking town with cars and all the great details - KGB could use it as a scene for staging fake reports about "miserable" life in "imperialistic" countries. In 50s and 60s - the USSR had tons of American stuff which remained after the "Lend-Lease" supplies, and very often those were not only military stuff. Civil cars, infrastructure elements were also being supplied under the Lend-Lease act. Of course this doesn't explain how the newer cars got in there, but hydrants can be explained by that.
The ban for soviet people to go outside the USSR wasn't that bad. Ilf and Petrov famous writers have spent about 3 months in the US in 1935, also there were cruise ships on board of which people could travel around the globe (including the UK and the USA). Of course you would need to have a perfect party record to get a permission ))), however - I know several people who were out there in western world in early 80-s.
Also, after the World War II - soviet troops were all over the Europe. So to give a future spy a feeling of being abroad - they could actually send him abroad (to Berlin for example). And that is what they were doing - the rotation of soviet officers on their bases in eastern Europe was tremendous - if you were a young officer, and behaved well as a party member - you could get the appointment to serve abroad.
In general - the topic is very interesting!
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 19:25 04-Apr-2012
Also, after the World War II - soviet troops were all over the Europe. So to give a future spy a feeling of being abroad - they could actually send him abroad (to Berlin for example). And that is what they were doing - the rotation of soviet officers on their bases in eastern Europe was tremendous - if you were a young officer, and behaved well as a party member - you could get the appointment to serve abroad.
In general - the topic is very interesting!

Thanks for your continued interest in this topic.
As for Soviet troops being 'all over Europe' not so. As they were naturally limited to
the Warsaw Pact countries which had their own communist regimes. So no western
experience their.
Of course 'loyal party members' would have had the opportunity to travel abroad
but usually only once.
Besides Soviet diplomatic staff and their families, the only group that would have had
plenty of time to travel and study the UK and America, experiencing western business
and culture, at first hand was the KGB. In fact during Soviet times you could almost
say its part of the job.
Many KGB officers were intergrated into the Soviet diplomatic staff as a Cultural or
Economic attache, gaining useful experience of how the western capitalistic system
worked and how western businesses are managed. Giving them a distinct advantage
during the days of glasnost and perestroika, marking the fall of the Soviet Union, in
which to usurp the very system they were sworn to protect.
In fact in one of the classic last episodes of Spook's the Head of MI5, accused hes
former KGB adversary of robbing the corpse of the Soviet Union.

When the old state run industries were being privatised, many former KGB officers
were able to snatch up, the lucrative sides of former state monopolies, like Gazprom
or put themselves in positions of influence.
An example of a former top KGB officer making it big in business is Alexander Lebedev.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Andriy84 on 07:21 05-Apr-2012
Thank you for bringing up such a topic!
Yeah, you are right - soviet troops were limited to eastern European countries, and Eastern Germany. However - for them it was more than enough. I remember in my childhood, whenever any family was noted to have a better lifestyle than others around - every one new with no doubts that they've just returned from a service in Germany))) Such families were brought the taste of Western civilization to the USSR and other people started asking themselves - "Hey, if that imperialistic world is so bad, how come they have better standards of living that we do in our developed socialism". I think this was one of the things that put the end to the USSR as well as "Glasnost" which was introduced by Gorbachev before the economic conditions were improved.
I know some funny stories about soviet people being on tours to foreign countries. First of all - the international passports which were needed for the travel - had to be returned to the militia officials upon return. The same thing is going on in China now: you can have a passport, but it is to be kept at militia or whatever administration. Also, soviet people were always travelling in groups composed by representatives of many ussr regions. One member of the group was always a KGB agent. Very often - such types of tasks were performed by lower ranked agents, for them it was like a practice before they can continue their service on upper levels. For other members of the group it was a fun task to uncover who's the KGB agent (doesn't it sound like a modern role game called Mafia?  :) ). Usually it didn't take long, and the poor guy had to face all kinds of jokes and sarcastic attitude (usual things were - locking in, separating the group into smaller groups to make it hard to keep an eye on all of them).
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 19:57 05-Apr-2012
Thanks Andriy,
I'm sure the Soviet soldiers serving in East Germany, must have been armed
with a long shopping list of western goods and clothes to bring back to friends
and family in the Soviet Union, particularly after the Berlin Wall came down.   :)

I know through talking to a few russian interpreters who studied the
english language during Soviet times, that it was very difficult to 'perfect their
english language skills' due to a total lack of English and American people
( for example english students ) with whom they could practice and interact.
Of course they might strike up a conversation with British or American tourists
in Moscow or Leningrad but all foreign visitors were booked with Intourist
( the Soviet Tourist Agency ) who tended to keep a KGB tail on foreign visitors.
So it could look very suspicious to the KGB, if they find any Soviet english
language students getting friendly with a foreign tourist.

So Russian english language students practiced on each other as well as
their tutors, which seriously hindered their chances of eliminating the russian
accent. Instead they acquired the same accents as the rest of the class
in the language school. Which meant they could instantly recognise which
english language school an interpreter attended in the past.

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Andriy84 on 07:46 06-Apr-2012
You are right. The exposure of soviet language specialists to native English speakers was very limited. However, this was compensated by a system of specialized schools. For example in Ukraine - most towns had (and still have) schools with advanced teaching of English, German or French (Spanish and other languages were not that popular). In such a school, children would start learning a foreign language from the first grade (that is at the age or 6 or 7), and continue their study for 10 or 11 years. I myself was blessed with such an opportunity. At the first grade we had about 3-4 academic hours of English per week. At the 11th grade - we had 17 hours per week (which included country studies, British and American literature, advances grammar class). Also we had Peace Corps volunteers teaching some classes. Also, the best students could participate in exchange programs (go to the US, live in a family and study at American school). The selection process was run by the US organizations who specialize in this. Parents did not have to pay for anything.
So the system is in place now and it is working. Hope soon all schools will be like that, cause we, Ukrainians have to understand that foreign investors will not come here speaking our language.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 13:26 06-Apr-2012
East German sleepers caught in Britain

Heres an interesting case of two East German 'deep cover agents' arrested in Britain
back in the mid 1980's. Again like the American case, the spies were a couple
living in suburban Cranford, Middlesex, where the husband's identity papers claim
he was born shortly after the war, a german of dual nationality as hes mother
was english.

Like the American case its unclear what these 'deep cover' HVA agents were upto
in Britain and the case remains a bit of an enigma.

East German spies with a flair for interior design (http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page59.html)
Title: English Village in Russia
Post by: Lt. Campers on 23:26 09-Apr-2012
(http://www.hydepark25.ru/netcat_files/Image/roo1.jpg)

English commuter Village near Moscow

At long last I've tracked down the English village in Russia, although I'm sorry to say its not
a KGB inspired 'Chipping Sodbury on the Moskva river' where agents would serve their
appreticeship before being parachuted into the UK, with impeccable English accents like
Stephen Fry or Hugh Laurie.
No, theirs no double agents here but thats not to say to say that the KGB or should I
say former officers of the KGB ( turned businessmen ) are not here. As HydePark has been
built to pander to the aspirations of wealthy Russian businessmen who have developed
a 'love affair' for the British way of life.

HydePark, English commuter village near Moscow (http://www.hydepark25.ru/eng/history/?curPos=0)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: P-N on 23:34 09-Apr-2012
I have an Aunt who lives in Chipping Sodbury.  Very nice little place.

Anyway, having said that, carry on Lt Campers.  Good thread.  Sterling effort old chap!
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 23:22 14-Dec-2012
The enigma of the Sleeper Agents

At the expense of resurrecting this post. A couple of interesting articles have cropped
up. The first deals with Germany's intention to prosecute, two reactivated Russian
Sleeper agents arrested last year for Espionage.

Soviet Sleepers, reactivated (http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/Soviet-Sleepers-Activated-10-19-2012.asp)

The second looks at how thoroughly the Soviet / Russian Sleeper agents have to
immerse themselves deeply into the language and culture of their target country,
so they can think, sleep and dream like an American.

Sleepers deep cover language (http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/13/deep-cover-language)

Britain may have dozens of Russian sleeper spies of the type arrested in
the US, a couple of years ago but according to Intelligence analyst,
Glenmore Trenear-Harvey, the use of illegals are an anachronism. As they
involve the greatest investment of time and money before they are able
to take over an identity and lie low but whats made them slightly redundant
are the number of Expat Russians who are able to live freely in the west.

Russian Sleeper cells re-living the Cold War (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7862340/Russian-sleeper-cells-re-living-the-Cold-War.html)
Title: Those Soviet Sleepers are back
Post by: Lt. Campers on 20:56 10-Feb-2013
The Americans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4D96fPl_hI#ws)

The Americans, trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDWftjF25m4#ws)

Oh look, those Soviet Sleepers are back. This time appearing weekly on the
FX Network in the States. No doubt a spin off from the successful FBI Investigation,
called Operation Ghost Stories, which culminated in the arrest of 10
Russian deep cover agents in the United States, including the femme fatale
of Russian Spies, Anna Chapman.

Created by American writer Joe Weisberg, The Americans is Cold War drama set
in the 1980's where Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings are an undercover team of
Soviet intelligence agents, working deep cover in the heartland of the United
States. Their true identities are a secret to everyone, even their own children,
Paige and Henry.
Of course its not a patch on the British version of Sleepers, starring Nigel
Havers and Warren Clarke but interesting nevertheless,

BBC Trailer of Sleepers (http://www.videodetective.com/tv/sleepers-season-1/872365)


Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Lt. Campers on 10:53 21-Jul-2013
Wow, I see the number of hit's have gone up since 'The Americans' was released on British ( ITV1 )
as well as America TV this year.

You never know it might prove a boost to the number of tourists visiting Ukrainian, tracking
down Spy towns.

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: moscowamerican on 17:40 07-Jan-2018
Lt. Campers - you have no photos of the most interesting part of this article - no pictures of the jukebox - the signs - they may have been there before - but clearly the were not there when you were there or you would have taken pictures.

Here is the information I collected about this town:

http://moscowamerican.com/index.php?title=KGB_Spy_town
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: moscowamerican on 17:42 07-Jan-2018
link is broken :(

Any idea, where this "Spy Town" is located ?
Looks like those american cars, are finding their way onto the internet !!
Note - its hidden away on this website but if you scroll down and select
'Car Talk' it should stand out in the forum.

Spy town cars for sale ? (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://usa-car.com.ua/&ei=SAt7T7fBOMSp8QOvwoXbCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://usa-car.com.ua/forum%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvnsfd)
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: AkMike on 23:03 07-Jan-2018
MoscowAmerican, 
try to keep in mind that you've dredged up a necro thread that wasn't touched since 2013. Lt Campers hasn't been around for a while either.
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: moscowamerican on 04:40 08-Jan-2018
MoscowAmerican, 
try to keep in mind that you've dredged up a necro thread that wasn't touched since 2013. Lt Campers hasn't been around for a while either.

yes. thanks.
Title: Those fire hydrants say "1988" on them.
Post by: moscowamerican on 04:42 08-Jan-2018
Those fire hydrants say "1988" on them.

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytown.jpg)

Spy town - theme tune (http://www.televisiontunes.com/Prisoner_-_Closing_Theme_(The).html)

Iowa in Ukraine


American fire-hydrants found in the abandoned Ukrainian ghost town

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Firehydrant2.jpg)

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/FireHydrant3.jpg)

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: moscowamerican on 04:49 08-Jan-2018


Lt. Campers is probably a fraud.

It appears the spy town picture is from a movie.

1962 - RED NIGHTMARE, defense department film about commies ain't subtle

http://lookmeintheeye-dugan.blogspot.com/2012/06/1962-red-nightmare-defense-department.html?m=0

Photo's of the Spy town in its heyday

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytownussr.jpg)

(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu229/john2070/Spytownussr1.jpg)


Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: monsieurjean on 21:58 30-Jan-2018
Note to Lt Campers:
Did you ever try living in the present day and start thinking about the future?
Just an idea.

Bet your wife says the same thing about your clothes.

I plotted this location on a map

and zoomed in using google earth,
but the buildings dont seem to resemble any (american) town or suburb
now im really curious to see if this fake town is real
and where it is located

Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: monsieurjean on 22:03 30-Jan-2018
https://goo.gl/maps/8CsoM8C92iP2
Title: Re: Spy town exposed in Ukraine
Post by: Fraucha on 06:02 31-Jan-2018
I can assure you, that the American town for training WAS real.
Don't ask how I know for sure, I won't give out anymore information.

Salo, Pol Pot, Hammered Dulcimer