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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by Fraucha on 16:39 01-Aug-2020 »
Did someone say salo?
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by Tnic on 11:54 01-Aug-2020 »
Danka Kev for the updated info.

As my compatriot said, we've gone through this years ago and may not be up on the latest changes and apparently neither are the govt wienies who are supposed to administer the regulations.  What a surprise!  Eto Ukraina after all.  :D

I would print out the new regs (in Ukrainian AND rooskii) as well as the phone numbers they'll have to call to confirm and bring it with me next trip.

No problem.  Again sorry if I offended anyone here, nd thank you guys for not slamming me for my frustration.)))

You're ok Kev.  You stayed away from dissing salo and vodka,  THAT would earned you several scathing replies.  :D
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by keving41 on 07:19 01-Aug-2020 »
Danka Kev for the updated info.

As my compatriot said, we've gone through this years ago and may not be up on the latest changes and apparently neither are the govt wienies who are supposed to administer the regulations.  What a surprise!  Eto Ukraina after all.  :D

I would print out the new regs (in Ukrainian AND rooskii) as well as the phone numbers they'll have to call to confirm and bring it with me next trip.

No problem.  Again sorry if I offended anyone here, nd thank you guys for not slamming me for my frustration.)))
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by Tnic on 10:07 29-Jul-2020 »
Danka Kev for the updated info.

As my compatriot said, we've gone through this years ago and may not be up on the latest changes and apparently neither are the govt wienies who are supposed to administer the regulations.  What a surprise!  Eto Ukraina after all.  :D

I would print out the new regs (in Ukrainian AND rooskii) as well as the phone numbers they'll have to call to confirm and bring it with me next trip.
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by keving41 on 20:05 28-Jul-2020 »

Be that as it may.........
IIRC, if you got PRP based on marriage (Family Reunification) then got divorced, your PRP is no longer valid. 


That was my understanding too.

Where do you guys get your info from?  Did you read the link above? Below I?ll post a russian language one.   Also if this was the case why didn?t the guy at the immigration office take my resident permit from me when I came to him or why didn?t they do that all the times i crossed the border or when zags informed immigrations about my divorce.  Also he told me to wait a couple more years then I?ve lived 5 years on the prp and can get citizenship that route instead of my veterans documents.

http://info-ovir.com.ua/topic/3897-постоянный-вид-на-жительство-в-украине-после-развода/

Where do you guys get your info from?

Well, bear in mind we're old and have been through everything but that was years ago (10+ years in some cases), hence TNIC's post and my reply.
Apologies we are not up to speed with the current rules, so thanks for updating those who need this information (and us old farts too).


Sorry didn?t mean to come off as offending anyone who has been here...I was on the phone with a zags today trying to sort some paperwork and they also don?t know any of the new laws and it gets frustrating...sometimes I wish I had money for a lawyer to follow me around 24/7 or do my phone calls for me...But anyway for anyone who reads this and worry?s about loosing prp after divorce should read up the two links I posted above and also read (Порядка оформления удостоверения на постоянное и временное проживание в Украине, утвержденного постановлением Кабинета Министров Украины No.251 от 28.03.2012.). I found it in Russian and Ukrainian and it outlines in what reasons for loss of PRP and divorce is not one of them.  Now the TRP on the other hand will be cancelled if you divorce. 
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by UKUA on 17:45 28-Jul-2020 »

Be that as it may.........
IIRC, if you got PRP based on marriage (Family Reunification) then got divorced, your PRP is no longer valid. 


That was my understanding too.

Where do you guys get your info from?  Did you read the link above? Below I?ll post a russian language one.   Also if this was the case why didn?t the guy at the immigration office take my resident permit from me when I came to him or why didn?t they do that all the times i crossed the border or when zags informed immigrations about my divorce.  Also he told me to wait a couple more years then I?ve lived 5 years on the prp and can get citizenship that route instead of my veterans documents.

http://info-ovir.com.ua/topic/3897-постоянный-вид-на-жительство-в-украине-после-развода/

Where do you guys get your info from?

Well, bear in mind we're old and have been through everything but that was years ago (10+ years in some cases), hence TNIC's post and my reply.
Apologies we are not up to speed with the current rules, so thanks for updating those who need this information (and us old farts too).
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I feel your pain.  I was denied a Permanent Residency Permit last week because I do not have a D visa in my passport.  It's just a scam money maker for Ukraine.  Ridiculous to have to leave Ukraine to get a D visa at an exorbitant amount just to return to Ukraine again.  Plus seems most of them in SMS give you the run around constantly wanting more documentation. 
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 Just a few points about Immigration - first to vent some of my frustration, which I normally get when trying to register in Lviv nd secondly to share some points on how the system could be radically improved....

1.  My welcome in Lviv was you overstayed so we should 'forcibly deport' you
2.   Total incompetence and rudeness in the SMS offices -we were sent from 1 office location to another then to a 3rd and then back to the 1st - arranged to come today at 9 a.m. ' director' will be back in 10 minutes - I came 7 times.... the guy refused to give me a phone number to save me physically checking back.    The new 'passport service' one-stop shop is really good BUT it typical of a Ukrainian reform where HALF the job is done - for expats we have to go to the 15-stop SMS service - how is it that the EU gave 'visa-free' travel to Ukraine and got zero in return??

General suggestions:
1.  The temporary registration cards have a finish date on them.  It is impossible to 'give them back' as you need it to leave Ukraine so the only way would be to courier it.   So why not simply have them automatically deregister you at the close date - remove the need to physically return the plastic card and (pretty unbelievable) send the person a phone text say 30 days before t finishes.  Would that really be so difficult? 
2.  Cancel the need to go abroad to get a visa D which has no function at all except to allow you to start the migration process.  I thought I read here (or somewhere) last year that, at long last, this was cancelled, but not so, at least, in Lviv - did anyone see this? 
 3. How about the EU arranging an easier and more welcoming migration service for foreigners many of whom contribute to projects / reforms or are investors........... 

Cheers,  Roz




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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by keving41 on 12:03 28-Jul-2020 »

Be that as it may.........
IIRC, if you got PRP based on marriage (Family Reunification) then got divorced, your PRP is no longer valid. 


That was my understanding too.

Where do you guys get your info from?  Did you read the link above? Below I?ll post a russian language one.   Also if this was the case why didn?t the guy at the immigration office take my resident permit from me when I came to him or why didn?t they do that all the times i crossed the border or when zags informed immigrations about my divorce.  Also he told me to wait a couple more years then I’ve lived 5 years on the prp and can get citizenship that route instead of my veterans documents.

http://info-ovir.com.ua/topic/3897-постоянный-вид-на-жительство-в-украине-после-развода/
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Visa and Immigration / Re: PRP Question
« Last Post by UKUA on 11:57 28-Jul-2020 »

Be that as it may.........
IIRC, if you got PRP based on marriage (Family Reunification) then got divorced, your PRP is no longer valid. 


That was my understanding too.
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